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speaker 2: think I told you oh I told you that Honey Lake sent me your treatment plans cuz we were talking were you talking about him a couple of weeks ago like I was kind of we were talking through whether you completed them while you were there or whether they were supposed to be things that you worked on with your Aftercare team remember yeah that conversation yeah so I've mentioned to me and and if you if you go back and you listen to like the context of the conversation is pretty obvious cuz I wasn't specific like references you know to how they're written in l that's okay if you if you hadn't understood that so anyways I ask them for them to give me the rest of your records and they actually told me that you did not authorize me to receive all of your records which is extremely different than what you represented to me when I told you that I had to have full access in order for it to be safe for me to communicate with you while you were there I don't know what they're talking about but I will find out you mean that you are what do you mean that you authorized full access in the paper that you signed said full access I don't remember what the paper said I think one of the counselors had me specify that you had to get your information through them or something get what information through them and I remember it did they say what they're missing no they just said that well I just requested all your records and they said well what we already sent you was all that he authorized us to give you which doesn't really make sense if you gave full authorization I mean I signed therefore I don't know if they have some records that they don't I don't know but well they I mean yes obviously they obviously if you're directing them to send me whatever I asked for and I asked for something like if it doesn't allow them to not do that they have to okay I don't know what they're not sending him you're wanting me to call them what does it it doesn't matter what does not sending me you don't you don't need to get specific about what paper this or what bad or what's missing I don't know what I think it does you don't need to that's you don't need to give them a specific authorization for a specific document you need to clarify that when you signed the authorization your intent was to give full access to all records and you need to find out what was inadequate about the paper you signed and if there's an additional paper you can find that would be what you intended originally anything else no but can you go ahead and do that right now and right now it's 3:00 and so the records lady might be going to go home early cuz it's a Friday are you in a hurry to get my medical records know but the only reason that I broke my no contact with you that I had started back in October remember was on the basis of you off doing that because without me having full access and that wasn't really a fair and safe communication for me to enter in I don't remember that are see what it has to do with anything but so yeah you do know I was trying called up well I know but we have we have documentation like we have our text messages where I where I explained to you that I had to have full authorization in order for it to be safe to me for me to communicate with your therapists to prevent it from being a one-way thing I'm doing that my my but I I will try and call so well and and possibly you might you might need to fax something to them too because I call them you don't have facts I thought you could just do that like to send I have no idea about that I guess all right okay can you go ahead and do that now and as soon as I can what your Chris Mullins guy doesn't think that I would be a good fit for his program at this point. All right I'm going to get going yeah you do recognize that that's based on your own willingness to see your abusive Behavior patterns and your unwillingness to submit to the Christian accountability that the Bible College too yeah but no we disagree about that and we're probably going to have to get counseling together if we ever want to resolve it you understand that we have to get counseling separately for you to recognize that you're an abuser no for that but that's that's the path there's not a path where we decide that this is just been a big misunderstanding and your wife just need to see how wonderful is genuine you've been all these years that's not a path of truth whatever it is I'm sorry that I know that I'm sorry that you're disappointed that I already know the truth but I can't I can't stop knowing it and I'm not going to stop doing it off and if you want to choose a marriage counselor then I promise that I will invest my entire life in every fiber of my being in making that therapeutic relationship work for us all right but I'm telling you that the outcome of that the outcome of that is going to have to be that you own where you have wronged me and sits against me I've never been a problem and you know you accept that it was abusive of you to accused me of not letting you have your kids fifty-fifty it was abusive of you to accuse our church of being unprofessional in the way that they counseled you. Sinning against me like there's a there's a lot of things that you won't own that you're going to the characterization of our church was given by actual professionals but not by teachers who because those things besides what you told them those professionals didn't know anything besides what you told them so you their analysis means exactly zero cuz they don't actually have access to Raw data they only have access to your perception okay I got to go that means absolutely nothing so you're going to have to change to reality you're going to you're going to have to change too I think if your perception and I don't think that your perceptions are a hundred percent accurate but you are realistic assessment of your options for your life because the idea that I'm going the idea that you're going to hold these beliefs everything that you believe is correct and nobody else has a valid opinion I'd you know that that's why I get there I did how manipulative it is for you to make it sound like there's something wrong with me for that being the case and I understand that you would like for somebody to think that there's something wrong with me for recognizing that I'm correct about this but that in and of itself is highly manipulative and you should make a decision right now to never do that again you should make a decision if I'm wrong moment happy to stand on those things to say to each other would be in front of a professional that they'll be getting paid directly but the most helpful. Saying that and it should actually pick a professional who you're actually going to give me access to an actual ticket for trusting that person but until you do that you need to stop saying that no concept that we're going to pick some person that we don't know and trust our entire future somebody you know I don't care who you picked I just need to know who you're going to trust their judgement otherwise you get to spend the rest of somebody and then once they find out the truth about you you discard them picking somebody else and once they find out the truth about you you discard them picking somebody else and once they find out the truth about you you discard them you can do that for the rest of your life but at some point you've got to decide that there's a person who's judgment you're going to trust after they find out the truth about yep that's going to have to happen you're going to have to try somebody else's judgment besides yourself nope there's no listen there's nobody on the face of this planet who I am discounting nobody I'm not saying don't go to this person because I don't trust their judgement or don't go to this person because I think they're biased on Dust inside or don't go to this person because I don't trust my future to them you can pick anybody and anybody else anybody anybody and I'm willing to make that commitment that after they know the whole truth I'll submit to their judgment but you won't even take one person who you're willing to pay their jobs because or that I know you're repeatedly saying that the only truth is your perception of everything and that's the only password for anybody to have a few years in your world because because my perception is based on actual reality it's it's not like my perception is based on my opinion about the telling you actual true age I have actual documentation bye-bye one last thing we're not going to use text messaging anymore and will not going to use emails anymore and we're not going to use phone calls anymore we're only going to communicate through the Our Family Wizard app until I have the documentation that you father is full access to all of your records what's the rationale for that because that was what that's where I was I had made my decision in my boundary to be no contact with you because I had determined to experience that you were not safe person and that any information I gave you or any conversation that I have would be would be actually telling you know what should we set up an advance for arrangement for me to like have some participation with the kid you're going to use our family wizard that's my boundary and I'm allowed to go but I do and then if you want to I'm not using our family wizard got nothing to do with that you understand that you don't have visitation with your children you're not going not be able to blame it on me you're not going to be able to say right now to have the kids you're not going to be able to say I asked her when I could have the kids and then I didn't get to see them for eight months and it was all because she refused to communicate with me beside about our family wizard that's not going to work the question is going to be well why wouldn't you just type her a message a family with Mom and give her and everything she wanted and receive everything in the entire world the same way that are in does because it's not a bad reception