speaker 1:  this call may be recorded press one to accept this call may be recorded press one to accept this call may be recorded press one to accept no I'm not trying to call and make you sad I got your trying to tell me something huh yeah okay like you were saying something about yourself you lied about Aristotle you were mired did you said that you should see that you have psychological problems at the topics you a liar and I think that it's perfect I think obviously not helping you and I'm trying to get amazing you like you trying to put me in a situation which you can convince a couples counselor that you are as committed to working on this I am you can convince couple counselor and I just need to see how genuine you are in love like me and then I need to trust you and get back into a very vulnerable position of having you live in a house with me so they'll tell me you're not trying to get anything out of me you're strategically assassinate the character of people so deceased reviews of me first-hand the what you're strategically assassinating the character of people who have senior abuse of the first hand to alienate us from their own accountability and you're strategically employees as the professional life you like today I have anything with us 24/7 you are strategically lodging to Professionals in order to stop the response you want which is your wife from the input and the accountability of people who seen your views first dance. Advise that Thursday currently is a dysfunctional situation that they see that more often than not it's not dived in ours was not but not that often nearly gaslighting to tell me that you have psychological problems with that is an earlier but I know I know but you were the one who was doing it not Aaron wage that's the thing about it you guys would have a logically toward me all by yourself mm I think you got the logically towards me but you're not saying that I have pathological problem so saying that when I finally in December said we need those look at like some kind of psychiatric something it has been going on for months I have been a victim of months I said trying to understand why would somebody say I don't love you and I never left you why would somebody when I try to have sex with him say you don't understand not just about the physical for me why would somebody say I really do love Lief why would somebody say I really do think that she would be handling this chat like I know I'm just saying like if you look at the entire pattern of everything that you said to me for months it was this czar there was nothing about that that that I need the psychology professionals that I've been involved with that I've spoken to think that any of that it's a bizarre I don't think that anything that is bizarre off of any idea how what you do with your life how have you been my experience I was like you saying that I should have said those things or even felt tried to convince me that Aaron was the one who convinced me of it was the area and they convinced each other he talked about it not an appropriate way for a pastor to give wage psychological counseling overnight you qualified to even be involved in this situation should have done it instead of wage do it and get you scheduled you scheduled to somebody who would months out there all months out. to say you didn't do anything wrong he was not trying to be your psychologist he was trying to tell you that you were in sin and he was driving a very good job so just trying to change anybody's you a few questions their rightness he saw it with his own eyes and I don't need you to gas let me about Iraq he just saw it with his own eyes and you're just going to have to deal with that you're just going to have to do something to get another preview for him. I didn't real time as it was happening again confronted with it but I can give it to you account so that everybody can characterize it's somebody that can actually help me that's actually trading the pad go to him and to him repaired the Saturday to get married but so that you get because he's right yes you have your life his actual action if it's so anyway my about your pastor Richard because you abuse it's not right for you to make these things available but I think it's highly debatable whether he didn't describe to the so-called abuse and the way that anybody else can understand it's not it's not if you're ready to start naming where he keep involved in something he has no business being involved it's not right for you to make people feel better one of our actual characters of that way all the technology professionals I had talked to you and said that the familiar problems with them and that they never recommend it so that's what happened different problem what happened here that's not what happened here that's not the problem. What happened because it's not what you didn't get involved in any of it because he saw it coming as a problem was that what happened here that's not what could happen here and that his strike this guy's attention reality and not doing it off then there was the crack in your perfect world protecting us from anybody ever seeing what you really do to me behind closed doors and you just want a fresh start and you just have to cast him out because he goes too much and this is the way that you do it by saying that you was involved in a familiar pattern up to responsible counseling office it was never wrong about anything he never did you any advice that you can followed it's any definitely did not convince me that you have psychological problems you know attempt to get us involved with somebody that was changed the deal to bring us into marital counseling and that would have been inappropriate he saw you abusing me and you needed you needed that accountable they don't like you understand that you're specifically interesting to people who have it yeah you got to stop gaslighting me with all these people who don't even know so you've got to stop them into my personal counseling sessions I've invited you to go off which is what the abuse hotline recommended that we do if it is true that it was inappropriate choice just like basically invited you to talk to him and that it's not yet right now I have to listen to this idea that she was irresponsible for not referring to the professional if you're quoting you know if you if you have you're expecting them to think that they are adequate evidence that you participated when we invited you yep f f as soon as I talked to David you switched to a counselor who would talk to me off right I said as soon as I finally told dates and like you said councillor agreed that page and if that's the counselor month okay and I guess I can't help you you are lier you say obviously can't help you that you planning to paint on these thoughts you know that you did all of the know that I did everything that I did so you know how to play with you you place it all on me but am I blaming honey I'm not helping you right now and I appreciate and you just need to be talking right now I wish that it wasn't like that I do that you lied to say your mantra I do have I'll do anything you ask me to do I'm doing everything you've asked me to do which is terrific Lee gaslighting to somebody who is looking at you knowing that you're not doing the things I'm asking you to do I'm talking about the money I told you that I was having trouble doing that I didn't say that I wanted to do it the only money what are you talking about what old are you guys is in an account to pay for my lawyer that you want me to fire oh okay this obviously you knew about that when you told me what that you're not doing something I've asked you to do when you are still saying it's a gas lighting Mantra doesn't need to keep repeating I'm doing everything you asked me to do that is gas-lighting not committed to doing it like all that doing that you don't need to repeat over and over I do like if it were true that you were doing everything that I've asked you to do then you wouldn't need to stay that Mantra over and over to hypnotize me into believing you're doing everything you've asked me to do I'm just know it because I would see you doing things I asked you to do but as it is you're not actually doing things I asked you to do and so I think I'm being required to question my own reality I'm being required to see with my own eyes you not doing things and here with my own ears you're not doing things but believe in my brainwashed mind that you are doing things that is psychologically abusive like let me believe the truth let me believe what I see you know I asked you to make a list of things in about but that were untrue I was really exhausted and I fell asleep I'm sorry two days in a row yes and when you got up in the morning I was late for work two days in a row yes I mean I'm reluctant to even do that cuz you're obviously not going to be of the same opinion as me on that matter of fact of you it's a matter of making wage things he said that he didn't really say if a matter of you attributing quotes to him that he never calls it it's a matter of how so you still want me to do that to have that debate elaborate conceptualization of his wage unprofessionalism that is akin to so many situations that they see it all the time it's such a common Dynamic for even one of our other pastors that's like that intentionally avoided getting involved because of that are you talking about are you talking about the touch with a ten-foot pole because he sees States or if you are well and you talked to me and he told me that so I they can take it or leave it I'm just telling you something that actually has to understand that Jackie Hays doesn't want to touch you with a ten-foot pole okay that's probably yeah you know why yes I do from his own work because he thinks that you're making up that he said stuff he didn't say he thinks that you'll take his words and spit it back to him he says he says that he doesn't recall saying to you
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speaker 1: me check my records here you have records go ahead and send them to me because that's extremely weird thing scared of you and I can tell and I don't blame them cuz he sees what you're doing but he doesn't want it to happen to him Jackie Hays said that he pretty much agreed with me with my analysis of what happened with Aaron so I told him Justin's claiming that you specified he should fight for 50 50 times. And Jackie said I don't recall seeing that I don't call saying that that's another piece of evidence that getting our church of in that you are in a desert Jackie Chan has been wage yes Jackie Hays has been burned over and over and over and over and over and he can sense a guy like you a mile away and he knows what you can do to tear to your church leadership to shred he sees it and he's terrified when I saw Jackie he said that they're handling of it was not what he would choose that he intentionally was avoiding it and that you agree with my concerns and that I should get 50/50 custody of our children month and that's why he recommended when his family got divorced it's I know you're saying he said that he didn't obviously I was the one that was there and you weren't you're going to believe whatever your interpretation of what he said okay I go either believe what he actually told me and I going to match how do you say that what I'm saying is that that is not a person who knows our situation at the person who is too scared of you to get involved in our situation that's a person you think that's inappropriate get involved in our situation because he's scared of you know because he has pastoral experience and his seen how inappropriate it plays out and it is a serious guys with the experience of everybody else has been involved in similar situations from which that. So it's clear that you don't agree with that and it's clear to me that that's that's how I feel and that that's how every experienced person that I've interacted with feels about it so when I say Annabelle behaved inappropriately it makes sense because he's not experienced he's not a professional is it professionally I know that you agree with him and therefore that's who you're comfortable with and I understand that this isn't something that we agree about that don't like making you sad arguing here to about it it's two children that's a bit that you decide that you're going to label him as inexperienced and unprofessional simply other Banks. Bank simply on the basis of he got to see you abused me you are welcome to come see my counselor and you wanted to take the advice of all of my several devices counselors and participating that they made that five talks he's given that that probably suspicious I have recorded today threatening me that if I go talk to your account. He's it's just that is false but if I go talk to your counselor he's going to see that as being intrusive thoughts opinion it's not a threat but do you like it out there that's not where you pick any actions maybe the highest paid minimum wage information that I'm providing you based on things that have heard happened to access you expect me to feel by telling me that if I talk to he's going to think that that's highly suspicious that it's true like you should like I care about your input and I wanted to be taken seriously and they're trying to get it in a way that would be the most money right now I'm completely isolated from anybody lived you and you're saying the highly important that you have an opportunity deter people and they said that when I drive you know what did you say I am really really unfair to me to be this isolated from anybody you listen to literally invited you may see that if I talk to him that he's going to lose respect for my input so I'm completely isolated off if you want to talk to him now I will ask him if he will talk to you later I'm just telling you what I think is his reaction to that is going to be he took he said he would like to talk to you I would and I said that you'd be allowed to talk to Eric yes that I want to use a calculator what Catholics like domestic efforts Thursday I understand you can't even see me until the 26 do you understand that this is perfect. Please the state about how you treat the behind-closed-doors it's going to take him at least at least three hours okay doesn't sound like a problem to me cuz today you're busy talking so we do that do it and we get the counseling where you can participate I need to be an account with their wage here I can't tell you to go to College counseling they think that you have marital problems I thought you were just explaining why you sending them around like out. that is the one person in the world who's advised you're going to take you shouldn't be doing that when they are isolated from being able to see what's really happy with your life with your view of what's happening is completely warped in completely completely lacking in the details that show your abusive nature and when your time with these people you portray yourself as humble and submissive and sacrificial and all that and all these things they can't see it so it makes zero sense to listen to any of their advice about the situation dead they couldn't possibly have it more backwards and that's not their fault but it makes no sense to be listening to the Council of people with that little information I've given them as much information as I can possibly get them in stock going to counseling and I did not lie to them and and I am told your wife that you have psychological problems yeah you lie July we were picking up on things that were a little bit perplexing but that doesn't mean that Aaron convince you have psychological problems it means that your behavior was really crazy and everybody was really confused okay I got to go bye-bye bye-bye