speaker 1:  this call may be recorded press one to accept this call may be recorded press one to accept hello I'm disconnected again trying to be happy
speaker 2: and then you need to stop interacting with me you need to go away from me and you need to get other people to teach you the things that you won't hear from me because on your
speaker 1: victim there's nobody else is going to teach me
speaker 2: anything else you're
speaker 1: liar many different Avenues there that's not true
speaker 2: it is that's not true that's not true all
speaker 1: right well I'm not anyway so I'm going
speaker 2: to go that that your wife would get the city she told me you told me that whole week that you were talking to Nathan and I wasn't that you told him and I have documentation of this that your wife accuses feel guilt life and don't see it but he admitted that it was a pause it was a possibility given your your history with your mom and it would be really helpful if you could get your wife to get some specific examples to work through so that was all stuff but that was all false Dustin it was all false because the whole time that you were actually happened yes it was the whole time you're doing that you knew that you had liked me off the whole time that you were telling Nathan just didn't see it instances of by
speaker 1: the government had give me examples that I can understand so work on with a
speaker 2: counselor you don't need examples that you don't understand Dustin you need to accept that you have been approved repair of it that way we need to divorce and we need to a divorce agreement that allows us to be 0 contacts until Simon of 18 years old because this is not okay what's not interacting in this manner is not acceptable it's not okay it is it is deeply deeply deeply sinful on your part to communicate with me in this way and if it's your choice that you're never going to admit that your behavior towards me has been abusive when you already know what the behavior is
speaker 1: I don't hear and that's why we need counseling
speaker 2: that's not true when you don't have
speaker 1: been attempting to get counseling for
speaker 2: forever we don't need we don't need page one of the counselors let us being agree with you including the one that you have to call and use outlines today July
speaker 1: 13th July Nathan how many days you lied to Nathan would you were telling me that you you
speaker 2: lied to and lied to me see your telling me
speaker 1: we're not computers you can say it again and again it's not true I didn't I didn't
speaker 2: read minds e r o so let's not pretend that we're going back and forth saying the same thing you're saying the same thing and I've done allowed to finish my sentence
speaker 1: you have already finished your full statement that I like to do anything when I did not lie to me this you lied to
speaker 2: Nathan when you were telling him that your wife accuses you're blind and you just don't see it as many specific instances where I would like to me and
speaker 1: that was the problem that's not the problem where I know that their lives in the wrong and apologized to me you are not a problem in the future they are problems they are they are they are they are you choose me a blank on
speaker 2: every single conversation that wouldn't be a way for me to know that's that's the victims response to your abuse and you make her look like the problem to other people it's very strategic and very effective and you know it and other counsellors so that's why they say do not go into counseling with your abuser because he can make you look like the problem he is very good at minimum wage
speaker 1: he
speaker 2: said he is very good at playing shifting he's very good at making you look crazy for your reaction because she doesn't have to display in front of a counselor the behaviors that he displays behind closed doors I
speaker 1: I can't help you I talked to as many professionals as I possibly can have been as honest as I know how to be a don't think that anything that you have deceived Nathan knew how to
speaker 2: get you knew how to get Nathan to think that I was unreasonably willing to help in your counseling how to get paid to think that I was unreasonably in school he's going to how long you've you've threatened me that if I talked to your new counselor he's definitely going to think that I'm unreasonably insurances if you're canceling but if you're talking about all
speaker 1: these people that was after you bought several voicemails and he expressed that to me that had nothing to
speaker 2: do with me yeah except that you were on the phone with me egging me on saying I just need your help I just need your help I just need your help if you would just pop the Nathan please and your texting me day and night if you would only judge today said Aaron I don't understand what to do if you talk to me about wanting to get together but you won't participate in my therapy you like you knew what you were doing
speaker 1: the cage wage you know what time which consisted of basically telling us that you didn't want to talk to us he did not
speaker 2: participate you know how to set the entire seen her me to look ridiculous
speaker 1: you knew what you were doing I can't I could I can't you mean much to me then life itself and I acting like
speaker 2: it does I am acting like a suck you suck
speaker 1: I don't want to make you cry anymore I
speaker 2: I I have I have a little leather bound book here for the high school I can see the foundation home bladed your touch screen is reading
speaker 1: yeah yeah I'll look in a minute but off yeah I'll look for something but I doubt it honestly home I'm sorry and are you there
speaker 2: does for the truth is you know what you did to me
speaker 1: I apologize for what I did to you I'm talking about I can't
speaker 2: understand yes you are
speaker 1: I'm doing one right now but
speaker 2: let me ask you this
speaker 1: I have not made that list yet
speaker 2: the most important thing is having power control over me
speaker 1: it's not true and I told you I'm going to divorce me and then I will give you everything that we have built together and that's not the leather package that's not in my that's that District it's not in my best interest it's not letting
speaker 2: me it's I know so it's got nothing that you may
speaker 1: View oh that you're telling me that it's impossible for me to love you well enough without being in a meeting or whatever a
speaker 2: I'm saying that you see
speaker 1: you're saying that I'm not capable of not being an abuser and I and that context then I do not want to continue to suck on quote abused you and make you sad and cry all day long doing it it's not like that you need to
speaker 2: do you need to get rid of the quote how do you get rid of the unquote
speaker 1: get rid of a quote get rid of the unquote I can't get rid of it because I don't understand it you can you can hand them know
speaker 2: that's all you need to
speaker 1: do to do that
speaker 2: it is no cuz you know every single time you knocked me to the ground you were there every single time you put your hands on you would pay whatever put my hands on you
speaker 1: are you talking about the time that you tried to hit me yep I like gave you a bear hug so is the
speaker 2: pretend and that's all that ever happened
speaker 1: between us. That's not true
speaker 2: I'd be that you have wrestled me down you've pursued me you push me against the wall you've got in my face and told me that I was crazy left bruises but I had to talk to people or stay with Sandra and they didn't believe
speaker 1: me that I don't know what you're talking about
speaker 2: but you also fell asleep in high school with you went to my mom and you told her that I was imagining having sex with Vincent home for like you did that and you know that on our wedding night you raped me that
speaker 1: you pretend that I
speaker 2: remember it you get those things you can pretend that you don't remember those things but representing it's not something I'm sorry you know what. Having sex for the first time is not something you forget this is not this is not a seasonal remember
speaker 1: that I apologize to you for it because I genuinely
speaker 2: don't remember because it was raped but you know what I wasn't saying it was raised like no reasonable person who waited until their wedding night to have intercourse for the first time would say they don't remember it that's not reasonable everybody remembers their first
speaker 1: time I think
speaker 2: that is it's not believable you know
speaker 1: what I was just unbelievable that somebody would wait until their wedding night to rate their bride you
speaker 2: understand what that is even tell your victim wage nobody's going to believe you do you understand what that is
speaker 1: nobody's going to believe what you're saying nobody's going to believe what you're saying
speaker 2: nobody's going to believe what you're saying off of what you're saying
speaker 1: nobody's going to believe what you're saying I'm not going to tell anybody that it makes no difference to me other than your staff that's the only part of it that matters to me off and I have apologized to you over and over again cuz I have true that's not true from July 2009 from July of
speaker 2: 2019 to September of 2019 you knew that you were making me sad and you knew what to do to stop and you kept
speaker 1: doing it I can get about you accusing me of raping you on our wedding night okay well I'm talking about a
speaker 2: pattern no you you're you're on the liar who says you don't remember your first time having intercourse when you wait until your wedding night like when I say that's not believable it's because that's not believable that's not believe marupok that's not that's not
speaker 1: believable wage in Fairly common a that's not believable have you ever lied about anything yeah what
speaker 2: is your therapist say you were lying to them about hello okay that's convenient because any concept of how cliche it is to tell your victim nobody's going to believe you
speaker 1: I believe you
speaker 2: well I
speaker 1: don't think any of the people that I have told about your allegations of be raping you on by telling them that I
speaker 2: don't know how is the weather from our anniversary I saw your special anniversary apology letter I see how believable it is stuff that I can tell that you stayed up all night long Crafting Dead perfect words to explain that away in fact I don't think it was just that night I think it's provided your heart for a long time that you need a special way to explain what you did that night and I think that you are at Florida they're really careful
speaker 1: I
speaker 2: think that you are extraordinarily careful in how you word your description of what went down that night I think you've been
speaker 1: planning it for a long time and I I don't remember it I
speaker 2: I know that is an extremely important element but extremely important element is your selective amnesia I love you I want you to have to have two lanes you are fixated on me as your victim and that's not the same thing I got to go I
speaker 1: I stated on you and trying to help our relationship
speaker 2: that's
speaker 1: why are you trying to escape terrible job but that's the thing you that he didn't have a psychological defect because he's never said that never never set that he never he never said that he would never do it like unbelievable never set that set that never said that he never said that
speaker 2: he said that he thought that he never said that he never said that he never said that he never said
speaker 1: that over and over again that's not even true I
speaker 2: if you actually love to be then you would be willing to submit to counsel for the people who's actually see what you've could be a
speaker 1: runaway seen anything like that to you and then is the capable of characterizing it they
speaker 2: talk to people so you can only see for one hour a week who don't have any chance of actually seeing it that's the point
speaker 1: at all I think the point is how he's actually your life your life that could actually identify
speaker 2: issues. Put in your life to
speaker 1: help anybody else you wanted you're saying that he could describe him as like the problem if you're a liar never did that your body to me so you're lying he did it do that when
speaker 2: you're lying such a liar he did not do that I believe that you would slander him like that just
speaker 1: to get out of account of the nature of you wanting me to talk to him at all if he doesn't agree with
speaker 2: you because he knows what behaviors just need to change from the every single that you changed would have led you learning how to stop abusing me if you would quit your job when he asked you to quit your job that would have led you in the direction of learning to stop abusing but you chose not do when he asked you to look at figure out how you could work ten-hour days that would have led you at the direction of learning how to stop abusing me but you didn't listen when he asked you asked you to read the Bible that would have led the direction of learning to stop abusing but you didn't listen when he asked you to take some time during the week to think about how elements of being selfish have shown up in your life that would have led you in the direction of learning to not be abusive to me but you didn't
speaker 1: listen like he did not take some advice that he gave that was good and I did not take advice that he gave that was terrible and I'm thankful that I didn't he didn't give
speaker 2: you any advice he didn't he he he didn't
speaker 1: he I'm not going not going to rely on somebody that's my age and give bad advice to give me psychological and but as I said he's not capable or am I feel that are capable and change the situation over and over again and have heard the facts about what he did and have seen that package again and again and again and so familiar to them and they're familiar with the correct way to deal with situations like
speaker 2: ours not mine have them they seem like he he wasn't the extent it's your emotional state when you know that he was the one who referred you he asked you to get go to a psychiatrist way ahead of when you actually suck the fact that you chose to wait until you were suicidal instead of acting on his advice when he gave you
speaker 1: that was not on him I did see the professional that he recommended and he was not credentialed he was also a pastoral therapist and he did very little to help me all those
speaker 2: conversations after after you had already been talking to your pack account for he asks you to get a medical and psychological evaluation and that would well I had way ahead of when you actually did that song and it was way ahead of when you had a lot of your
speaker 1: network characterized me to my wife as having psychological defects and we getting psychological analysis but I am so scared of being
speaker 2: screwed by are you you are lying and
speaker 1: it's like you can't see this page about every single thing that I ever say that you had a psychological problem back is a y and this is for Satan himself off as well so you can convince you you were both in a bubble talking to each other making opinions on what you're not qualified says the formulate an
speaker 2: opinion on a liar who are a liar this is Satan's right now lying trying to get into you
speaker 1: know this is
speaker 2: dead if you believe that Arabella and I had conversations about you having a psychological problem
speaker 1: there when when you did not debatable know
speaker 2: what what psychological problem is we say you have
speaker 1: like a regulation
speaker 2: also idea what you're talking about but nobody was trying to diagnose you without credentials that is that is crazy stuff and the fact that we're sitting there. I
speaker 1: said that the characterized me is having psychological problems to you after you guys had many conversations without
speaker 2: me I don't know I have you had conversations with him without me I wasn't having I would not having any
speaker 1: conversation you were having conversations with his wife who was obviously referring information to him it's walk-in know the debate why do you think I'd like to Allison ever or or is it just making three person has their own oh my gosh Karen I don't believe that you're a liar no I don't think that I don't think that I am Holy Holy inappropriate for one party to get involved with counselors and such a broad basis and then bring in another person like the counseling is somehow geared towards both of them I think the FED is the sentiment that's been repeated to me over and over again by many professional people and anything that we could barely play the proof of that
speaker 2: wage Dustin this is all you being an abuser
speaker 1: just the fruit is you being used and abused Ur age regrets having you and I and his office together okay you said he says I was being victimized before his eyes and he should have protected paperless
speaker 2: I'm sure that's what he says he should have only been more because I thought it was a one-way deal which is true I wasn't again that
speaker 1: isn't its advice that's completely contrary to any professional that I've spoken to so how you
speaker 2: do so,
speaker 1: that's that's yet another reason that he completely inappropriate person to be involved in this
speaker 2: whatsoever it's consistent with what every professional says you're talking you're talking to his head off it'll probably be talking to your new counselor about a bearable problem you're calling the hotline and talking
speaker 1: about it as a marital problem at all pulled them all of your concerns I've done it with as perfect Adela t as I am able to tell late with my level of understanding is a
speaker 2: the people who have access to me you won't listen
speaker 1: to that if you were well go and see a professional with me pass you to hit like you shouldn't have to make up lies about Aaron in order to discount them making up lies
speaker 2: about you should be able to use things he actually said to Discount him but tells me that he told me you have psychological problems is a lot when he did it and you were participating so it's a liar that's acceptable I schedule life but the truth is if you look at the results of your psychological eval space it turns out there is something up it's not our fault
speaker 1: that doesn't actually show
speaker 2: that the difference do that regardless of what you do to me he never said that you had psychological problems and I never told him that you had psychological problems that's true we were well into December when you were already working on scheduling you're stuck with dr. Cobb do you think you should be looking at some kind of like faith and he was like oh oh yeah I just tell you that we already recommend did he get a full medical and psychological evaluation where we sent him a letter weeks ago
speaker 1: your must be talking about interacting with involved and I'm talking about the interactive that was involved in that were occurring when we were actually getting counseling from him quote on quote counselling which is much much earlier you're a
speaker 2: liar I'm saying that you are a girl like you are a liar I did it happened I was there and you weren't Catholic but now I don't like forget
speaker 1: and you should it's never forget I have shared that sentiment of yours with my counselors and none of them think that that's completely remotely
speaker 2: possible but it's not often that I have a good memory you
speaker 1: don't have a good memory I
speaker 2: know but you usually that against me to make it that look like I've tried to controlled You by making them
speaker 1: never forget anything and
speaker 2: it's not my fault that I'm honest that I remember is not my fault that should be used against me to make me look like an abuser please do remember and I actually don't lie why do you use all of the best things about me 6th Street it's like if you said
speaker 1: that you don't have a great memory and that I don't appreciate it
speaker 2: about you know and tell people she thinks that she never forgets anything and that sounds
speaker 1: interesting that you know what you're is so
speaker 2: it don't know what you know that that's with the fishes you know that it makes me look really bad it
speaker 1: is suspicious and it's not accurate Aaron
speaker 2: it did not say that you have psychological problems you work and you work a sliding as you were saying things that were true and it was really really really creepy song hope you get what you're after
speaker 1: hand and I hope I get what you're after I hope you find
speaker 2: what are you talking about what are you talking about I want you to be happy cuz I want for you
speaker 1: I feel sad and we're going to have to never speak again. Can I stop talking to
speaker 2: you I don't Tober November and December I was okay and I was happy I was always okay and happy without yep all right. I
speaker 1: understand I don't see much point in US get on the phone right now just make a new fad I don't want that
speaker 2: just did I just need access to somebody who you told me you're actually going to believe that you don't believe me you won't believe anybody else to talk to