speaker 1:  this call may be recorded press one to accept this call may be recorded hello hi okay sorry I had to go earlier I feel concerned that you think that I'm trying to engineer my therapy or not taking your concerns seriously and I just want to know that I do TJ. Be happy together all right that that leads to bad does she said that Nathan was Disturbed at my insistence on repeatedly trying to convince people no I said thank you very much by the frequency with when you calling from and we talked to him one time no but you called him many many times a day what you called him many times in a within a short period of time after you made the decision to talk to him
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speaker 1: understand I'm not complaining about that to saying that the expression I guess what I guess you put your not what did you say after him that had to do with your idea about the elders if we didn't understand or agree with it because that was an ultimatum and you don't recognize like these Dynamics as being offensive toward me if you're getting a third-party to accuse me of being intrusive and you're getting a third-party to excuse me anything yes you did you got to talk to me yes you did you got me to talk to Nathan I got you to talk to David so that you could help me be better for you and that is that's not good but that's not what happened is it off he told you that I was issuing ultimatums he told you that I was intrusive he told you it was disturbing how much I called him like that's what happened when you Loop your victim to talk to your advocate it's not safe and it's not okay and it's not helpful and you can Google should I go counseling with abuse