speaker 1:  this call may be recorded press one to accept hello hi I just called the hotline and they said that they would never recommend couples
speaker 2: counseling well that's what they did
speaker 1: feel like information that you got was extraordinarily
speaker 2: bizarre okay
speaker 1: and I'm not clear on how like what possibly could have told them
speaker 2: I told them everything about our situation but she told me you told them everything I mean obviously it wasn't a lifelong conversation but I mean it obviously would have had to have been okay so no I told them everything that I thought that would could possibly be pertinent that you would like to please help
speaker 1: them did you tell them about when you spent a week telling me that you didn't remember the dirty joke that you'll be
speaker 2: sent you no I did not tell them
speaker 1: so I'm not exactly clear on how you think that you told them everything
speaker 2: profit I mean okay I
speaker 1: mean you told them that I've called you a physical abuser yeah you told them I called you a sexual abuser
speaker 2: yeah I told them I called you an emotional abuser yeah you told them I called you a psychological abuser now did you stay in motion old so it's not it's not okay
speaker 1: the psychological abuse is when you lie to me about something you already know that I know the truth about okay and they said that you should go to couples counseling yes with somebody who it's saying that and did you tell them that Aaron Bell was in
speaker 2: agreement did I tell them that your Endo is an agreement no who
speaker 1: did you come from that was an ingredient who did you tell them was in
speaker 2: agreement then I told them was an
speaker 1: agreement that you said that you were going to call and tell them that everybody who as soon as situation who actually knows his both says the same thing did you tell me give me a message that
speaker 2: they were in agreement with you that I am an abuser yes I told that
speaker 1: did you tell them that those people came to that conclusion independently just by watching what you said and how you behaved and what you like
speaker 2: about I did not say that and I'm not sure that I would care to
speaker 1: it that way so you wanted people to believe that I convinced others that your diffuser and you knew that did things you knew by betraying the story that I'm the root cause of the beliefs that you were an abuser and I'm the one convincing others of that people would imagine that it might not be
speaker 2: true I'm trying to get anybody to imagine
speaker 1: anything then why would you not present that everybody came to this conclusion
speaker 2: independently I just told you I just told you that they all said it independently don't
speaker 1: and they told you that we should go to couples
speaker 2: counseling yes everybody at Honey Lake says we should go to couples counseling my new counselor says we should go to couples counseling
speaker 1: and therapy at about or you want me to talk to you in neutral
speaker 2: probably my new counselor but I don't know that he's going to be ready to that
speaker 1: yet have you talked to anybody from Honey Lake and she got your doctor crop
speaker 2: report back I don't I think I talked to that Colby guy and I talked to Nathan when you asked me to talk to Nixon I don't recall the time line and somebody reached out from there after 10:13 but I didn't have anything to really say to them because I hadn't had anything set up yet
speaker 1: I don't know what to do this and I can't I cannot find a professional in the world who will tell me that I should go to couples counseling
speaker 2: with you okay
speaker 1: I can't I mean I think I think that's willing to be us because feels like I have a safety with him of him having you know a background context and I think that would be important to
speaker 2: protect me and I have gotten the feedback from every single other professional that that's inappropriate yeah but you're talking about people who don't think you're in a user well cuz they don't
speaker 1: have any professional you talk to in the context of domestic abuse says that the abuser should not be in cap couples counseling with the victim and so for you to go and and say that we need to follow the advice of professionals who have been brought up to believe that we have there it'll conflict is terrifically gaslighting I mean we need some way for you and I to both be speaking to the same professional and not in a couples counseling session and and not somebody who could have the opportunity to make profit off of us being in couples counseling with them
speaker 2: okay well I don't know what the solution is but I don't know how to do anything other than what I am doing so
speaker 1: well we're basically not a couple of right now you
speaker 2: don't exactly to be with me so we don't need couple counseling unless we're going to be a couple
speaker 1: off the line with the fair don't want to be with you I want to do it so you don't
speaker 2: want to be with me right now
speaker 1: I want to right now I want to be with you right now I'm trying
speaker 2: to figure out a way home
speaker 1: I literally want to I literally want to do it tonight that'll be and a phone number if I could wave a magic wand and it would stop I was waiting for one
speaker 2: that's what I'm saying in Europe
speaker 1: they have literally giving you right now so it's okay, but I'm saying like
speaker 2: the reality of circumstances that actually exist right now
speaker 1: don't actually exist where you'll know what he's going to be used or if you were the one of these circumstances I'm doing everything within my power to be with you everything that I
speaker 2: can do Thursday another way to say that is you don't want to or not a
speaker 1: couple other way to say that is that I want to I want to I want to as badly as I possibly could want to I want them to be abused and be with you that's a way to say that
speaker 2: if I can help I'm willing to do whatever I can to
speaker 1: help do you think it would help if you could get your mom to call me so that I could tell him the situation in a way that he could understand and then
speaker 2: point you I think that that will probably happen at some
speaker 1: point yeah but the the signup window for the program that is only offered once a year is like I remember it was like more 30th through April 4th and that's it
speaker 2: but it
speaker 1: does it open again for another year
speaker 2: okay and I think I'm not willing to do that program I haven't looked at it I
speaker 1: didn't hear what you said to me on the phone was was really
speaker 2: not so great yeah
speaker 1: you know what I mean when you say literally every professional I speak to says that that's not what I
speaker 2: need. I'm not helpful I'm just reporting facts about that I
speaker 1: don't understand what you're speaking to you or not the same ones I spoke to like we've we need you to change that's the whole point of a couple of counselors but if you're presenting to people that this have something to do with your wife being upset that you cheated on her you're presenting you presenting as someone who has marital problems but that's not okay it's not okay for you to take advice please sign a description of marital problems that's that's not
speaker 2: okay okay like I said I don't know how else I can do for you I am saying that
speaker 1: give me access to the professionals that you're going to take advice
speaker 2: from okay I've already sent that my account therapist whatever would like to talk to you you just not ready yet what does that mean you have
speaker 1: it primed up enough
speaker 2: I mean someone is no worries I will probably talk to your wife at some point that's what he said
speaker 1: well I mean I'd love to go ahead and talk to him like bearing in mind of time sensitivity of the program that I think you need to go in it would be really helpful if you told him that was welcome at this point so that you didn't set it up to look as the one being
speaker 2: intrusive there's no therapist in the world that's not going to interpret them as intrusive
speaker 1: if it's coming from Nathan was begging me to talk to him it was
speaker 2: beautiful not recall it being like that quite honestly but
speaker 1: yeah we set a 45 minute
speaker 2: session basically the bottom of that to me how Disturbed he was by your incessant attempts to communicate that the seed off to him I think that's the same way and I know for sure that's the same way that said that feels about it a new therapist is going to feel about it made it off
speaker 1: you said Nathan said that your wife accuses you of Lies but won't tell you how you're lying that you wouldn't really need you think you're crazy because you don't understand what your wife was talking about you just seem like it's like they just like I guess we gotta talk to his wife to get to the bottom of this otherwise we're never going to be able to say what it if she's talking about and then it's like oh my wife won't get involved she will talk about it she just wants to accuse him of being an abuser without giving any specifics so that was beautiful how you set that up with David and then with said you set up the opposite oh okay we don't know we don't know why don't we don't need my wife oh good we don't live okay you're just going to deal with me directly oh okay I got this you're not interested in hearing from the elders but perfect you've got your wife because they even convince her she should be involved and you've got the elders and so they have certified intrude on it too oh your wife is dead did a lot of to get the middle of it and see what the problem is now you got you down for the things that you needed your wife and the owners input and that you wanted the elders and reasonably would not give evidence of what they've been accusing you of and then you got parents to think that your wife and the elders are trying to impossibly offer information against the middle of your counseling sessions though
speaker 2: following you but I'm not
speaker 1: that interesting that we were know and I'm not calling you cuz I'm
speaker 2: working and I'm not you got Nathan Smith opinion of you and your this I tried using expensive intentional Avenues with considerable effort to resolve this with yep
speaker 1: you got paid I think that I didn't want to be involved in this posting and that was
speaker 2: unreasonable and then he got sent to what happened
speaker 1: and I got I got them tend to think that I wanted to ensure that that was a a reasonable that's kind of what happened you got made the thing that I unreasonably would not give input and then you got paid to think that I have to take the insert input where it wasn't invited off that's true and I have email evidence of both of those things I have to take a phone call that's fine you can take a phone call
speaker 2: goodbye I have to take a phone call that's fine you can take a phone call goodbye