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speaker 2: this call may be recorded press one to accept hi 9 what you been doing a little bit what did you say and that it was good that I showed you accidentally hear that is good but it also might be really bad cuz you might be tricking me into thinking I can trust you not might be the most dangerous thing for our kids what I'm not trying to trick you you told me that your mom didn't talk to your counselors on the phone sorry you shouldn't have told me that all right you told me that you were sure they didn't read the email she sent them I'm pretty sure about that but you're right and the 100% sure you shouldn't have told me that all right you tried to convince me that you convince them that your mom was crazy and it shouldn't pay attention to anything she said Dustin yeah did you read the email that your mom sent to your counselors
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speaker 2: it's been a while I read it and what did you think about it all right what and I think she's not but what did you think about the what she said that it was for her that it was what typical hers yeah which is honest and accurate which is dishonest and inaccurate Define something out here did you talk to the Nation about that relative to the email yeah you told him that you thought it was to tell you this but they were so dismissive like I did not register with any of them do you represent it to Nathan that you felt your mom's email was dishonest and inaccurate and not to be trusted yes because you sent Nathan an email that said this is actually mostly accurate lol well I say I don't remember the email so I guess I just can't believe like this bad no the original one was super long she sent it to Nathan and you brought to Nathan to make sure that Nathan knew that it was mostly accurate okay I remember that now. Okay it's not okay that you're lying to me and that line to you it is it is if you're telling me that you told Nathan that he shouldn't trust what your mom Road and that it was not accurate off that paints one picture of what is happening with you psychologically when you're sitting at Honey Lake for a month and when you tell me or when I know the truth which is that you're lying about that right now Aunt everything that everything that your mom wrote in that letter s even if your counselors didn't read it was what you and your heart really believed and is what you were saying out loud to your counselors and what you were saying out loud to your friends there and what you were having Affirmed and that matters to me it it it matters it's really really really important that you're honest with me about what's going on in your head because you Behavior hasn't been making sense for a long time now and you're you're putting a lot of things in emails to a lot of people that would explain that erratic behaviour because if you actually believe those things if you actually believe those things then you should be pursuing terminating my rental rights because that woman that your mother described in her email is not fit to be a mother to your
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speaker 2: what I guess I got to go back and read that email I don't think you should I don't think that that is a healthy thing you just like please don't do that okay please don't do that ever again that's it's it's beyond horrific understand that when you say it's beyond horrific I have no idea what you're talking about well you've been talking to your mom pretty much every day so few months now would be good idea to see my mom for a few months now have not doing that been talking to her lot for a few months now she claims that you told her you told her that you don't trust anyone and you don't think anyone has your best interest at heart accept her and Jeff and the people at your workplace and not tell her that so she's mine you're you're lying I wonder wedge exactly absent I just feel like you don't grasp I feel like you don't grasp the severity of what she just did when you say what you just said what do you mean spending all that money to get you into that clinic to convince everybody that your wife is manipulative and your wife lies and your wife has your self-esteem down and your wife has you questioning your own reality like to do that and she's not trying to Thursday it's it's in the I know it's actually in that email literally although I didn't I didn't like all those words were actually in there that's not my take on your email that you say it was in a mental health clinic you convinced everybody that whatever you decide to do I mean the mental health clinic because I was suicidal well it's pretty amazing how she capitalized on that didn't I mean she did anything happen there the whole thing yes that whole thing that she did calling me and saying that she urgently needed me to call her and would not tell me why then saying it's an emergency but would not text me why but I have to get on the phone with her can you think about that why somebody would do that if they were actually worried that their son was about to die because you wanted you to call me I think I mean really want to argue it was just wanted you to come on the phone to call her I needed to call her immediately it was an emergency and she wouldn't say what so I was worried about you and I had Brianna call her because we wanted to make sure that you were safe and everybody was okay she wouldn't tell Brianna I just have to talk to Aaron I just have to talk to Aaron is is that the actions of somebody who's actually worth that their son is about to die honey she's done a whole long thing to Nathan about in a whole long thing she knew about how your wife was not acting as a loving wife to you or a mother to her children or even a friend she doesn't have your best interests at heart she doesn't even care about your physical safety you can't have somebody in your life who's going to cause you to question your self-worth like this on that day she couldn't have cared less whether you lived or died do you understand that she was laying groundwork for being able to make those claims about me not being there for you when you were suicidal and convincing you that she's the only person who is there for you nobody thinks that the email I'm literally in the email your mom said I guess and and you understand that you sent Nathan an email that said this isn't actually mostly accurate LOL I'm not saying that it's accurate that you're dead worse than a friend that I was not there for you when you were suicidal that I like do you understand that she she actually actively created that scenario intentionally wage like we were there for you we were ready to get in a car and drives to you anywhere you were and she's doing weird conniving like that's not normal I looked at Brianna and I was like if Dustin's in trouble which is this in bringing us like no she wouldn't just thought what somebody does when they think someone's in danger well you guys were wrong about that and you're probably your mom should have said acting irrationally because he's a rational in general and because he was under extreme stress but none of that has anything to do with her inappropriate letter that you said was accurate it was mostly accurate and I found looking at it now didn't know if that was a good judgment or not there's nobody including her that thinks that you're not there for me or a bad mother or any of that that's not true she put that in the email and you said that it was accurate I do not think that I did not leave my come through with that impression or anything even remotely like that when Dustin called me and she said she wasn't sure he could hang on that day Aaron refused to take my call she showed no desire to be a wife a mother to his children a friend or anything whatsoever too often human kindness or desire to help save his life I knew my son was struggling to not danger himself and the only person I could turn to turn her back and involved her quote friends unquote that really complicated the situation that day and had me guessing that she was only trying to escalate the situation Aaron also refuses any dialogue with me which was not warranted most recently I tried to contact her regarding picking up kids to visit Dustin at Honey Lake via text message we were hopeful that she would do this for him she did not answer perhaps I overstepped and I won't make that mistake again is destined doesn't want me in the middle and I understand but I finally asked her if she is avoiding answering because she doesn't want documentation that she's refusing him his visitation she knew the kids would be well taken care of and safe I feel for her it is all about power and control even at the risk of the kids relationship with their father you told me Nathan met mostly accurate and that's only like one small part of an extremely extremely extremely extremely long letter that says untrue things about me you told me it was mostly accurate and and I just don't get the part where somebody says these untrue things about your wife and you don't hurt them I don't understand how you don't shut that down as a man the or not I mean even not hurt them but how could you I don't I just don't know I don't know how you don't fight for your wife's on or when she's being slandered like that and I don't understand when you see your mom lying about being and twisting things and making me look bad how you get on the phone and still with her all the details of our next conversation after that conversation like when I'm on the phone with you and you're at Honey Lake and you're calling her and saying Aaron Aaron wants to be Aaron wants to be added to my medical Aaron wants to be added to my medical record here she did not trust that I'm not giving the team here unbiased view of our situation off like he like knowing that your mom's going to take that and say that I'm trying to control and manipulate like why do you keep giving her all these details the whole time you're there you're you're telling her what I'm saying about everything I'm sorry does she know that we were having to do with the a.m. Monday like that is creepy freaky to me for her to have access to she knew that we were having a meeting with see a Monday evening like how is this I don't understand how this is still happening what that she's getting all this information that she is obviously going to twist to try to destroy your family I don't understand why why you would give her access to something that's so dangerous for your kids I don't know you ask me what I'm doing is that a safe thing to do like do you really trust that she's going to take that information and use it in an honorable way what is she going to do with it she's telling people that I'm manipulating you she wrote a long message about how I manipulating you emotionally and how I'm putting you through all this turmoil in order to control you and give myself a leg up a divorce settlement and you say that's mostly accurate and you just lie to me on the phone and told me that you told they said that her email was untrue I told him that and then I read it and I taught at the time it was mostly true I know but tonight you told me that you told Nathan that it was untrue I did and that's what I remembered you remembered what in telling me that she sent an email and that I told him to completely disregard it cuz my mom's liar Thursday it's I'm not looking at it so I didn't I don't know what you you understand that this is a big deal you lying to me is a big deal and you lying to me about dead or alive and there is a big deal to go along thinking that you told me Thursday and that email was untrue when it's valid you told Nathan that it was actually mostly true that's a big deal I agree with you that's a big deal but little I wasn't lying to you was a lie Dustin it was was it it was if you say you can disregard that my mom's crazy before you read it and then you read it and you said that's actually mostly true LOL and then now you tell me that you told him it was untrue you're saying something that's a lie I'm not telling you a lie you already did no I didn't understand you told me that you told me that it was on a tribute that's what I remember but that's not true you remembering something doesn't make it true obviously tell him before you read it you told him it was probably untrue but that's not telling him actually untrue that's just telling him my mom's kind of crazy but when you read it and you say that's actually accurate that's where you're actually telling him whether if the actual text is true or false so regardless of how sketchy your memory is on stuff like this for you to represent to me that you told him that was untrue when you actually told them it was mostly accurate is a lie this is where we struggle and this is where always struggled with you saying things that are not true all right it's not I also don't know why when you said already started telling me that since I'm so sorry that you've been so bad to me and you wanted to work on our marriage and you were summer all that why you're still talking to Julie on the phone for hours at a time not talking for hours at all you were in November month which is after she wasn't even your senior super anymore I mean we talked a few times for over an hour at a time when she wasn't even your senior super anymore I'm sorry yeah but you're not being honest with me what what would you like me to differently or I would like you to be completely honest with me well I'm I can't log you're not you're not even trying you're trying to trick me into thinking you're trustworthy but you're not trying to actually be completely honest with me I am trying to be honest you know you're not they're not I mean seriously what does it even make you did not tell me about your actual inappropriate relationship with Julie huh have no you haven't you've lied all about it and mischaracterized it horrific Lee and you know that and I can't understand why I can't understand if you think I won't forgive you I can't understand if you think that I won't respect you I can't understand if you think that it'll hurt my feelings to make me feel bad about myself like I don't know you just do it and I can't figure out why God we're talking about what what I can't figure out what we're talking about we're talking about your extremely inappropriate relationship with Julie how intimate you were with her how close you were how real your connection was and how two sided it was that's what we're talking about and you're pretending that you've told me everything absolutely everything else do you haven't told me an hour's worth of dialogue when in reality you've had hundreds of hours of worth of dialogue I've had hundreds salary for the dialogue you haven't told me about all the Care that she showed you about us splitting up after the fact what does that mean what what is that mean what do you mean what does it mean I'm saying that you aren't you can't pretend that you're telling me everything about your inappropriate relationship with Julie do you sense do you have a do you do you remember that you were intimate with her do you remember that she really liked you do you remember all the ways that she showed you affection and do you sent this is not one be between you and I because thank you for the friend is best friends that she went out of her way to spend time alone with you like I don't understand why you're feeling this need to just minimize it I'm cover it up it is the same for you is that you get across that it was as a friend that's what's important to you that doesn't sound like you're being concerned is being open and honest like I am being open and honest funny and you can't think of why you would have been talking to her for hours after she wasn't even your senior anymore can't even imagine yeah we talked about what was going on I'm sorry you talked about what we talked about what was going on about what about what with Rodger on the bat Gene that is that what you're referring to is that what you were on the phone with him for an hour about and you answered her phone call yeah how did you feel about her calling you I don't know did it make you feel like she cared about you yeah looking back and you see that that was delusional it was oh no I think she cared about me there's no way that somebody who cares about you would do that to you why did she call me
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speaker 2: probably made her feel good Chad probably doesn't appreciate her but there's no way that she could care about you and do that to you on the phone for an hour but that's fucking sick that's been that's fucking sick and you know it yeah and do anything she calls you on the phone for over an hour she knew Dustin she knew why she knew that you had the hots for her she knew that your relationship with her had been inappropriate she knew that you were showing her love and affection she knew that you guys were flirting she knew that you were sexually attracted to her and when she found out that your marriage was ending she called and talked to you for over an hour do you have any idea how white trash that is do you have any idea how far how far how many billions of Miles beneath me that is to call somebody else's home when they're going through something like what you were going through okay I didn't want to tell you at the time because I don't want you to think that like no I need to put down Julie or something but like do you understand that she's like gross and promiscuous and lacking in a basic character yes but you know we're pretty intimately you can see these things right yes I like I don't I don't know I don't see how you could think on the same day that you're texting me and said that you would do anything to fix our marriage and you're so sorry for that hurt me and you just want to make things better and you would do anything that you think it makes sense to spend that kind of time giving emotionally intimate information about your sacred marriage to a hore do you see how irrational your behavior has been for months off I said do you see here how it was yeah what yes are you proud of it did it feel good at the time yeah do you know that sin is like that that's why Aaron kept telling you that you were deeply deceived who's telling you in August that you were deeply deceived by your own scent and he was telling you in October that you were deeply deceived by your own sin and he was telling you that you in November that you would deeply deceived in your own home and you were seeking out comfort and happiness and satisfaction and good feelings in Julie still and you know why she was able to give that to you I said you know Julie was able to give that to you because she didn't know the truth about everything you had done and because she was getting good feelings out of you perverted way to like when I asked you about it tonight you still lied to me about talking to her I can give you our what yeah cuz when I first asked you didn't say oh yeah we were divorcing Julie was showing me a lot of compassion and off the phone with her for long periods of time just telling her about what we were going through and pouring out my heart to or but that wasn't your response your response was I was I'm still talking to Julie you were only maybe a few times what what month for acting like I was still talking to her and I wasn't and you said when we talked to her in November and I said yes oh cuz when I said we're still talking to her you thought I meant like right now that's yes I think specified like after we had separated I just mean right now obviously sorry but it would help if in general and conversation your actual Drive was to tell everything it is there and I don't I can't put my finger on it but you have phone lack of trust in the person who Took a ton yeah even today it's called a lack of trust in a person who has lied to me a ton even today. That's what it's called that's not a psychological problem that's a healthy thing that humans can choose to do to protect themselves from someone who is predator B also recognize that that is different than no no no it is completely reasonable of me when I ask you is that reasonable option of things that aren't that somebody hasn't said I'm I'm actually hi cuz I asked about you cuz cuz technically what I asked you was about you still talking to her after we separated and you said no like still talk to her no I no I didn't say I did not say if you had asked I would have said wage yeah and there's a few times and when I asked you I asked you about why you I don't know and I have to be like this is ridiculous for you to finally to say what was going on like I'm just saying that there is a high level of subverting admitting to your highly inappropriate relationships and the extent to which you were still carrying it out on the same day that you were trying to convince me that you would repented you were still engaging in inappropriate extramarital relations on the same day that you wanted me to believe that you would repent it that's significant information in a conversation about your continuation of communication with Julie that's not something to sweep over under the rug with a generic statement but I don't really remember what we talked about seeing under the rug Erin yes it does not make sense to say I don't remember exactly what we talked about about what was going on with that is not a reasonable way to be open about this huge sin of cheating on your wife that you're needing to actually repent of and not just say you'll eventually of while you're carrying it on it it's a big deal for you to tell me that when you have the opportunity and not hope that you're not going to be forced to talk about it you can hear what I did tell you I mean you into it that's not the same I mean honestly like I just don't see how I just don't see how long you can get your head on straight when you're not when you're spending as much time as you're spending filling your mind with your mom's wrong perceptions of me when you're spending as much time with my mom's perception ever that's not true today because I had to you didn't but you chose to you understand she's calling you she's calling you and shaving you for going to church I don't know why you would want to imagine that that doesn't affect your head and I think that my mom ever says affects my head that's not true that's not true that is not what you told me yesterday so long though you came over yesterday and you specifically told me that it was messing with your head she had calling me and crying I know that's what I'm saying it doesn't affect my opinion of you know extra psychological helps that it affects your ability to look at things circumspectly what does that mean you know with the all-around view know it doesn't look like that and I don't see how you were going to be able to spend time with these people at work like you think that the people that work love you and support you but they only know about your delusion like I don't understand how that's a healthy place for you to be I don't even asking either and what they don't affect me either but you told you told me that the way that you thought that they agreed with you and affirmed you and supported you and actually cared about these ordered me page for the people that are the people that are not supporting you you thought the people at our church were not carried about you that people at our church were not loving you but that's because the people that are Church were calling you to repentance wage they actually do about your sin and so you're going to all the people who don't know about your sin and and you're letting them a firm you and you're letting yourself feel cared for by them and then the people who actually care for you because they know the ugly parts of the bad parts and we'll still make gigantic sacrifices for you or the people who you are imagining or against you and messing up your emotional health and not caring for you I I just can't see how that healthy really did Aaron what month I don't want to argue with you. also I don't know how long I can stay here if it's what the David situation here is a little what situation over here with the arguing with David it's not good for me what nevermind you treated me pretty badly today I need you to know I need you to know that if your friends from Honey Lake were sitting at the kitchen table with us all day long today just today they would never adverb ever go back to thinking about you the way that they currently think about you y my area cuz you were good to me that's going to be better to you I mean if you're going to say I'm doing whatever you tell me to do then when I ask you to cancel your Rush membership you should smile and be filled with joy that you have an opportunity to love your wife not puff adder and roll your eyes and demean her and minimize or concerns and then later complained that it's because she won't work because she won't let you access the equity that is rightfully yours and your properties like is it really horrible abusive things they're not minor they're not part of a normal like normal marital conflict that's really really bad sorry I just don't I just don't think that I just don't think that you could bring yourself to do those things and say those things and have those Rollin II mannerisms in front of your friends from Honey Lake and keep up your false persona but that's just like a few examples so you were actually treating me like they're all day long and that's because you've made a promise to me that you're willing to do whatever I ask Dustin I feel so betrayed that you say things like you repeat things to your mom that I've said to you in marriage sorry like I wasn't going into if I thought they feel betrayed what I went to told her anything that I thought you would feel betrayed this is a recorded line and I am stating right now that I will feel betrayed if you ever tell your mother anything that I say or anything that I do she lies really terrible position I she is not a safe person it is not okay it is not okay it is not okay she is not safe someone who is willing to lie and bear false testimony about somebody in order to gain an advantage over them is not a safe person cuz she's going to take it and she's going to manipulate it and she's going to use it the way she wants to use it you you understand I'm saying she lied about her phone conversation with me right and it wasn't for a minor thing it was for a major thing she I mean she said right in that email that the children wouldn't be okay until I get help for myself cuz I tried to run you over with a car and I slapped you so hard I knocked the glass your glasses off your face like do you understand what she does with that information and you like do you understand that that's a lie like that you're lying and telling your mom but I tried to run you over with a car in front of the children or no do you actually believe that I don't know honey you may be scared you made the weird but you understand that God okay if this happened to you and the person ran away from you and got in their car but then you started to approach their car and they honk their horn at you. Moving the car when they stopped moving and what we're going to do with our to the window you actually came all the way up to the window of the car and you were talking to me so you can't say you didn't approach it off cuz you actually came all the way to the window and we're talking to me through the window I don't really remember I know I just think that many many people what they would think if they were approaching a car and when they approached the person would lay on the horror but when they stopped approaching the horn stopped blaring when they approached the car the person honked the horn and when they stopped the nothing down the street like no no that's not true I was only hockey some work with an office in the car was in park when I was honking and I was honking when I'm approaching the car and everybody I've asked not to has said that happened I would think that that person was trying to tell me not to come and instead you came all the way up to the car knowing that I was fearful enough to flee the house from you and knowing that I was fearful enough to land the horn to try to stop you from coming you should approach the car and then I said I went I was baffled that you're saying that you were fearful but we obviously need to hand the kids off so what we are actually going to do I know but you were standing there going I can sleep here tonight if I want to what they're going I can sleep here tonight if I want to do exactly what you said you that's exactly what you said I can sleep here tonight if I want to you can't tell me to leave it is my exactly what you were saying to me so don't tell me you're baffled why I would be scared I was just I was just that the laws house and we asked you the way that it did not lead with your ass and then you moved to the McDonald's house and I didn't move back in a house and I specifically messaged you with you said our house is vacant I guess I'm going to move back into it if you're not going to I specifically messaged you and I said well I didn't move right back and honestly because you've just shown that you're not willing to leave a residence when you're asked to and I'm not particularly wanting to be in a place where I'm not going to have the legal right to ask you to leave please give the children and eyepiece if we're in that house and the very first time we had to do a drop off here he stood in our living room and he said it's my house I can sleep here if I want to knowing that I was fearful of being in a house where I couldn't legally get back up to get you to leave if I needed to I'm just saying that it's completely reasonable for someone to be scared because that is really creepy really erratic behavior for someone who knows that somebody is scared to live in a house that they Behavior okay it is it is extremely unreasonable for you to be thinking okay here's the woman said she's scared to live in this house because if she calls the police she can't get them to leave that's the reason that she went and was still living displaced in a house with seven other people not this place in their house that's not dead no I'm saying the reason you still living do I was still living at the law house from any days several days after you were living at the McDonald's and the house at Stanley Drive was vacant and you were specifically told them that I was leaving the house of Stanley Drive vacant because I was scared to be at a place that I couldn't get you to leave when asked because you had just been stranded at the life that you don't necessarily leave when you're at so you knew that I was a payment was scared at all did you did you did did not leave when I ask you to log Brianna asked you to you charge your husband said I was under the impression switch your house too because we were having a conversation but you did not buy it did not leave with a did not leave me that you did not leave when I asked you to I asked you to leave and you stood there if you still were making additional claims after I asked you making additional claims about how you have them talk to be before we make major decisions about our children's education 12% and then I said it was until I said yeah but that was after you already said it fifty thousand times and then notified that it was distressing Simon and I said if you if it does not description is the text message out of your mouth or just to blame me for not talking to you about the kids before I enroll them in school then I'm going to have to ask you to leave home in the next reality mount for that and then I ask you to send the next having to have a plan and you were you were actually unwelcome in that house and it was actually distressingly it was actually distressed and Kevin Brianna who you obviously didn't care what else they had going on in their lives and was actually discussing children your press office invited me over there that's the whole rationale for me being there in the first place that's not true that was your first overnight with the kids and you were bringing them back an overnight that was not that was not a whole scheduled thing overnight with the kids yes I don't recall that but but the fact I have no idea what I'm saying that I tried to run you over with a car and I'm saying that it was obvious that I was scared of young and it was obvious obvious to me it wasn't super obvious to the children it but I've talked to many people who have said that if somebody ran away from them. My car and when they tried to approach the car the person haunted them they would take that as a sign that that person scared want them to approach the car that's reasonable and when it was you approaching me in the driveway and I was we're trying to figure out if you were going to take care of it to park nope the car was in the car was in park the car was in park when I was honking off when it's movie the car was in park when I was the home on the 600 to you that you should not approach the vehicle I went to the neighbor's driveway to get some distance I came came back saying that I could hoping that I could Flash the headlights on to your truck to show you that you could follow those lights to go get in your truck because if you go to your stock then I would be safe to enter my own house now I don't recall you doing that my truck was not worried ended at our front door which is where I was with the children at home I don't know you're under you understand I'm telling you that I when I came back from the neighbor's driveway I I came in at an angle to face the heck is up to your truck which was in a different driveway and I slashed them know you're trying to show you that you could go to the truck how can I go to my truck and my children when their mothers like driving it down the street honking her horn I was driving down the street hockey my behavior know I was erratic it does not make sense to stand in the living room of a woman who'd you go live in the house because you have demonstrated that you're not willing when asked and stand up straight and be haughty and say I have every right to be here I can sleep here if I want to that is probably because that is just the way it is also irrational to go after a woman who is fleeing from you and but everybody I've told the story two has said that that made sense and that you should have recognized that I was scared of through and you should not be pursuing me not pursuing you and you definitely should not be anybody that says but it made sense or not present to see what was going on I can't believe you're doing this to me I don't want to talk about this doesn't make any sense to me but this means that you're not a safe person to be around just like it's not safe to be around your mom because she's going to tell a different story about what happened, it's not safe to. You huh not telling a different story just telling people that I tried to run you over with my car I'm not telling anybody anything about that you're lying on a liar you're telling me that you didn't tell people that I tried to run you over with my car and that's a lie and it's a really bad live with anybody reply but it's too late Dustin it's already out there like you're already not a safe person and to have a conversation with you and for you to still think that you weren't safe to leave your children with their erratic mother who tried to run you off with the car I can't I cannot ever be in the same room with you again I cannot have you over to my house tomorrow is it is not safe it is not safe you feel that way I'm sorry like the space to leave my children that night until you were able to calmly handle them off, but I needed you to go because I had totally scared I was scared to be in a house that you would not leave when asked and I asked you to leave and you may not leave that there's a liar you're a liar I did ask you to leave your liar you're a liar you don't need to make up a lie down and say that I just ask you to me that's a lie lying is wrong bad and you should do it without I asked you to do that I know but I I asked you to leave and you do that I was capable of taking our children shoes off and you knew that I was scared to live in a house to ask you to leave but you had been with them for the job not going to ask me to leave my own house there and that's not rational I was scared to live here hang up the log to the McDonald's because I was scared that you're the kind of cream leave the house that a woman is asked you to leave when she scared of you and it turns out ding ding ding I was right you are that person you are approved it that you that creepy that when a woman is scared and it's expressed in writing that she escaped you live in a house that the police will not ask you to leave when she's actually to leave and you won't listen you're going to still stand there and assert your right to be their months-long Damage Done you're going to continue to assert that right you're the erratic one that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense to take that opportunity and say she's scared of me she's scared to live here knowing that I might not leave when I'm asked these and right now she's asking me to leave and I thought I should do I'm going to prove that I have a right to take my kids shoes off that'll show her that'll show her and she doesn't miss the car may have made the children scared at the car you should not have approached the car you have approached the vehicle you did you did you did you did you did you did you did you did you did you did you did it doesn't even make sense that you could be in the house and I could try to run you over that makes no sense to me that doesn't even make sense how can I run over somebody who's on the stairs you came all the the car and how is the car going to go with Under the Stairs Dustin it's a minivan tow truck you're not making sense you came down off of the stairs you came all the way to the window of my minivan let's go with down the street. What all right I literally zero point in arguing about this except that I have a right to understand that the man who is trying to trick them into trusting him again is actually willing to lie and say that I'm not safe to care for my own children that I'm not able to become that I'm erratic that I try to run them over with a car that I am I hope I have you down the street in front of my children that's like none of that's okay and it is extremely just feel that way and arguing about it cuz you guys trying to that stuff you are dead and how badly you are out to destroy me and always have been and always will be it is my right to know that about you when you're asking me to put myself in the vulnerable position that you want me to be in with you it is my right to know that all right well I only want good things for you I'm not going to give you whatever you want Minicraft argue about this I think that that's not fair I think that I deserve to know the truth about you I think that it's not fair that you're going to make me argue about it literally why won't you just listen dead why well I do but the fact that you should not stay at the law residence when I've asked you to leave it's something that you can learn from if you would just suggested instead of arguing the fact that you should leave them all residents when Brianna asks you to instead of turning around and saying I thought it was your house to it's something you could learn if you would stop arguing about it the fact that when a woman says I'm scared to live in a house where your name is on the deed because God I you have shown that you're not willing to leave when asked and I wouldn't have the legal right to ask you to leave and when she asks you to leave though up become haughty yep and say I have every right to be here I can sleep here if I want to you could learn something from that if you would stop arguing the fact that when a woman runs away from you and it's fleeing you because she's scared of you you should not pursue her if something that you could learn from if you would stop arguing the fact that when a woman has tried to get away from you and she haunts her with her approaching her vehicle is evidence that scared of you stop approaching is something that she could learn from if you would stop arguing the fact that it is really really really bad to go around telling people that your wife tried to run you over with a car when you created a crazy scenario with your own erratic behavior is something that you could learn from if you would stop our dog wait I'm not here forcing you to argue I'm here trying to give you information that would help you stop being a shity husband if you would just listen like Maran what did you say what do you want from me there we are you I think it would be really great if you would not argue with me okay I'm not no I mean you just did and then you tried to blame me for arguing with you only did it yeah you did oh I'm not arguing with you you just did you doing it now I'm not I'm not you're doing it now are you trying to be funny are you trying to be funny oh I don't understand you're saying I'm arguing with you I'm not wow you've been spending too much time with David that is unbelievable were you being serious or were you joking Dustin Dustin Dustin that was really bad bye because you were arguing with me about whether you are arguing with me I roll no that's terrible it's terrible cuz you completely wrong and you're actually asking me what I want from you and I was actually saying that I don't want you to argue with me
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speaker 2: wasn't Justin stop it's not funny I did stop have you thought anymore about if you can trust someone else and it's totally irrational question to me y because I'm a control my brain yeah but do you think that your brain is better than anybody else's on the planet do you think that there's like a hierarchy to it like you could rank everybody's brains from best to worst I don't know what I'm the person that has to pull the lever is of my hands and feet so you could pull the levers based on your own judgement or you could just choose that you're going to pull the levers based on someone else's judgement I just choose that we pretend know cuz your hands and feet would still be doing the movements everything has to pass judgement before your hands and feet and things that you're going to do what somebody else says even if it's against your better judgment and then do what the other person says cuz you've predetermined before even hearing what their judge you predetermined before even hearing what their judgment is I'm just going to act on whatever they say and then you can do that I think that's impossible you could do it that's called Trust called submission I've done it for years you've had a close up view of what it looks like in practice so you would never do that I don't know I mean as far as physically possible if you like I am doing it yeah all right so when you went to a counselor before you went to Honey Lake in Jacksonville your mom was actually communicating with them about your therapy also you know I'm talking about no set it up yeah but then she knew who it was she was so she was able to communicate with that person directly the what was the message like she emailed his having she had Caitlin email you an article she was supposed to send it to me. So I'd your mom do it that was suicidal I understand that was suicidal oh you told your mom you need the article from Caitlin yeah and you weren't competent to reach out to Caitlyn I wasn't going here and how is the article going to help you not kill yourself I don't know what it wasn't about that what was it about something to do with the some of the children of alcoholic parent who had alcoholic parents what and that hurts really bad I said you had alcoholic parents I send me who was an alcoholic and when they were in Minnesota I have a life basically and that affected you I can't really remember the article very well I still have it meeting with her though what we had one meeting with her though I just don't understand why you got off to email you something supposed to send it and then never got it yeah but why are you on the phone with your mom talking about the fact that you needed an article about then how did your mom know that you needed an article about there she was where she was there with you in person and y'all were talking about the fact that you were affected by having an alcoholic dad what oh I just asked her to give me the article but why so like did your dad and dad like neglect feeding you meals I don't know hello so did your dad and like hurt you physically what no I mean they drove drunk with me the what drove drunk with me did your dad and give you alcohol or drink I think when I was a teenager they might have given me one glass of wine and Thanksgiving so did your dad and dad like molest you that they like rage at you and yell at you what not often sorry I guess what I was getting at is that if Mom's going to pay for your your mom's going to pay for your new counselor that means she's going to know who your new counselor is and if your mom's going to pay for our marital counseling that's means she's gon know who are marital counselor is and if she knows her I know but that means that she can send unwanted messages to them and unsolicited messages to them not necessarily to be like a part of your care but down the line when all of a sudden three years from now she wants to say she's worried about you because whatever like she'll know who that person is it's still not going to talk to her though I know but is that you feel like it's safe for her to have that capability you know I don't trust that person but that's interesting because I trust my mom completely and the fact that your mother has my mom's contact information just terrifying to me bye because she could send my mom a message any day yeah but it can do a lot of damage like she said that she can do a lot of damage I think that you're not appreciating I think that you're not appreciating how much damage she did to your care at Honey wait I mean they've been pay any attention to her they might think that oh not think they did not read her email you don't know that you already apologize for telling me that in this conversation okay you're right I don't I just very strongly believe that Dustin do you have any concept of how bad it is to tell people that your wife tried to run you over with a car yeah like does that register on a scale of really evil things a husband can do kind of high in your mind I will never tell anybody that ever again I know I'm just saying I don't know if you feel the full weight of your sin in a way that allows you to actually repent versus figure out what you need to do in order to get your wife back based on what she's telling you you suck to do you know what I mean I don't know what you mean do you feel like you've repented huh when did that
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speaker 2: feel like you had already repented when you wrote me that anniversary letter tempted attended of that you say you repented of each thing at a different time there was never a blanket repentance of wanting to turn from sinning against your wife well yeah but when I was trying to convey in the letter off with that might be you at the time of my relationship between that is an accurate I'm trying to tell you that it was dead know but when you were doing it with Julie you knew it was wrong while you were doing it and you were feeling of staying while you were doing it and you were knowing how are you feeling ashamed while you were doing it with Julie and you were feeling ashamed like you needed to hide it from me when you were doing it with Julie and you were feeling like it was important for like our friends and family did not know what you were doing with Julie you knew it was wrong that you were choosing it because it felt really good you still want me to believe different than what actually happened what yes yeah is that are you still wanting me to believe that are you still wanting me to believe that you didn't know it was wrong while you were doing it dust he going to answer me I can't hear you are you on a different microphone I can't hear you can you hear me yes now I can hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you hello hey something was wrong with your microphone I said I don't want you to believe that it was innocent know that you thought it was innocent seems that I thought so
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speaker 2: right now you're willing to tell the truth yeah and you understand that you were representing differently to me and in that letter on our anniversary Dustin yes that's good for you to recognize you realize you realize that that anniversary letter was dishonest and manipulative and that you have to interpret my event like my actions at that time in light of the fact that you were sending me dishonest manipulative letters
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speaker 2: cuz you know if the things that you were writing they were true about wanting to be a good husband and you were actually acting in accordance with that by being honest with me I would not have been divorcing you Dustin yes do you understand that yeah okay because you had deluded a lot of people into thinking that I was divorcing you for unbiblical reasons I'm sorry and the truth is that in January you were still actually unrepentant because you were using words to try to manipulate me into thinking that you had repented but you were still lying to me would it be helpful to you if Neil explained it to you would it be helpful to you if Neil explained it to you custom please what are you doing I am okay I said would it be helpful to you if Neil explained it to you what okay did you tell seeing that your mom offered to pay for your therapy and everything oh yeah it's a good idea don't you think oh what did your mom say today what today I told you that she called and cried say that I can hear that. She tried to say what to try to say that I wasn't telling you something about our meetings not going well even though I haven't done anything like that so I had to keep telling her that we're fine see I told you I told you I I said I don't know how but I know it's not safe to tell her that we have a meeting with CA why would you tell her that we were having a meeting with c a i can't believe that off after all this you would still tell her that we have a meeting with the a she's not a safe person to give information to because you don't know how she'll twist it around later and there you have it off I'm fine yeah but she's crying to you telling you that she doesn't believe you and you're clearly hiding something from her and she's she's crying Dustin that's that's stressful for you to have to listen to right so do you understand she's using the fact that she has information about you against you it's not a safe person to tell I have a meeting with the a Thursday person to tell anything you see in her letter to your counselors she said that I called you on the phone to say that you assaulted my mom and she said that she was standing right there and witnessed the whole thing and she knows that you didn't but then she asked you if you thought that you had assaulted her and you said you weren't sure how in the world does he allow someone to get him to question his own reality did you catch that when she did it what I don't remember well yeah but you remember I'm sure you remember the conversation with her where you told her that we were saying that and I I would call it you know battery but they would push my mom and your mom told you that you hadn't done you had done no such thing Dustin what's wrong with your microphone okay what are you doing and then I know but I think ever since you lied down something's been wrong with your mic open that down the full time I said do you remember your mom telling you that you had not pushed my mom yeah but you know I don't believe that for a moment because we're talking about my mom sure what what what what what you're tired oh okay yeah if my mom says that you pushed her there's just no way Dustin right wait what I mean just objectively speaking I don't remember doing that but do you believe yourself over my mother myself I mean it's over my mother my mom my mom's going to make that up I don't know that she's making it up I mean I think she's making something that it's not but what hello so you're saying like you understand that you use your hand and you understand that you extending your forearm caused a part of her body to move away from your body and you're just not sure whether her definition of the word push would match my mom's definition of the word push I think it definitely adds is pushing her but but you know reality isn't dependent on your memory that is true and you know that your mom is there as a witness and is trying to tell you that I am capable of causing you to question your own reality like I'm the one who's psychologically dangerous can you see why I feel like she's not a safe person to be around honestly I think you might have to be at the McDonald's longer than David I can't have me what I can be there that long what not going to be in that long what not going to be that long oh how long did they say why do you say that halogen light. What what I just feel y they didn't tell you the same as they told me that you're welcome there as long as I say that you're showing a willingness to do the things I ask you to do to restore our marriage can I think that's the case if I take longer to get out of here than the kid school why oh you're saying you get out of there you say you get out of there by me taking you back to live in our house you're saying that they're not going to believe that you're working to restore our marriage if two years from now I still haven't take you back into our house and I'm saying that they told me that you're welcome at their house as long as I say that you're showing a willingness to do the things I'm asking you to do okay I'm just telling you that I don't think they're going to believe that if the years from now I think they will I think I think the demon about that well they've never said to me that me taking you back into our house is evidence that you were doing what I asked you to do what's what I'm asking you to do is live at the McDonald's for two years then evidence if you doing what I asked you to do is stay in there right okay if that's what you're thinking I think you better check in with them cuz I highly doubt that that is what they had in mind hear me yeah I just don't think that they I don't know I can do that it meant a lot to me that you think me for divorcing you today it meant a lot to me that you cared when I cried this evening hey Dustin have you read through all the diagnostic criteria for personality disorders have you read through the diagnostic criteria for any of them nope I tried to get me to read too they tried to get you to read them and why did you say no why am I testing did you tell them that you weren't willing to read them I just checked so they knew you weren't listening to their advice to read I think it was what I don't know I don't know if it was sincere advice I just trying to make the point that who told you to read it Nathan Megan that's it Megan told you to read the diagnostic criteria and you didn't do it are you being serious right now something she was being sincere he was just making a plane said I didn't have an issue like that are you sure she wasn't being sincere that you should read it yes no but you can think of it she what not like she made me read it it's not like she made you take medication but you're supposed to be there to take care of advice because you trusted it it is because she advised you to read the Diagnostics. You have to choose advising you to read it choose advising you to read it it was you don't think she you don't think that she wanted you to read it did she say read it so we can read it off pulled out this thousand page book yeah and did you read it no she wasn't being sincere saying there's something like that wrong with me so she pulled out the book but she didn't actually open it up to the page so that you read it what correct and you told her you agreed with her oh I told her I was going to get testing done oh that was prior to your testing was she trying to talk you out of going to your evaluation now that that would be the only way to convince me that I didn't have an issue so you're trying to convince her that you did have one trying to find out if they did or not so you weren't giving her your opinion either way no I didn't have an opinion either way oh you were just acting her yeah and she said she knew because she had had a conversation with you he knew because she had had several conversations and my they're fifteen and that's service members
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speaker 2: think they're originally against me getting the testing and but brought them over to my side so to speak was thank you for that it give me confidence up there was anything a lot of good it did me that's still don't have it it's pretty funny either way when you think about it right away money like if you were the person who had in your hand evidence that somebody was not crazy or if you were the person that had in your hand evidence that somebody was crazy and like withholding it being like we have to proofread it you know what I mean yep thank you for a while but think about that information existing and being withheld from you either way yeah are you being serious though like you didn't even read it I didn't read it that was wanting to get testing done is that why your attorney lined it up for you yeah I ended up for me just I thought you said he had to make the appointment cuz she didn't make I thought you said that he had to make the appointment because that person didn't see the General Public you don't have to make the appointment I made the appointment but I don't think they would see me if I didn't have that connection like you just call up and and I could be wrong about that quite honestly but that's my impression of it you could be wrong about that I don't think so when I called them they only got interested in talking to me when I told them that I was referred by them really excellent. When I saw the girl that I signed back go back office is like affiliated with his office yeah but when I went in her I found her that I was going to get that done if she is asking me about it like eval with dr.
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speaker 2: thought oh I'm sure you mean you know doctor so-and-so it's like now I understand it's supposed to be a doctor dr. Cobb in Gainesville and she said you know and so in Orange Park the Know da Club up in Gainesville and her jaw like about hit the floor and she said are you serious you know he's famous variety she got all like butterflies in her stomach crazy she said I've never met anybody that's gotten to see dr. table wow I'll be I'll be so excited to see the report when it comes back wow makes you wonder though why your attorney would have that connection Gill this multi-millionaire clients usually and I'm good I'm I'm jealous Italian speed on the Earth and your mom paid for it or Jeff paid for it that I don't know no I said you can't tell your mom anything about me but tell her you think I have a personality disorder and I need an evaluation honestly I think if you wanted to go see and she would totally pay for that that's what I'm saying you want to have to think about it until we get your report back okay. although you probably can't see you now that he's done mine I bet let me just get like a half page back since like substance is real nice I'll be mad Hagen and what two weeks and thought I have something in it yeah yeah did he record your conversation do you take notes do you think that he was like just asking you like a set list of questions or do you think that he was using your answers to guide what he would ask you next yeah in The Narrative of everything and then further questions and I mean they gave me like 10 written tests that were all just standardized I just took station part I didn't know if the conversation part was like he had a list of questions he was asking you off the list of questions or if it was more like he was trying to clarify things that you said yes definitely that did you have sex with Megan gas means that I have sex with Megan that's what I asked you oh and if you ask me that cuz I didn't understand how she thinks she knows you better than I do I don't think she thinks that and what was the attitude of that that you like cuz I obviously know you better than she does okay her husband worked for the Church of eleven22 I figure that is oh wow but if you do don't know let's see yeah well today was pretty awful okay what I'm sorry can do that do you said you're never going to tell somebody I tried to run you over if the car again is say that what yes and you said you leave any time you're asked to leave yeah you didn't do very good with that today though you know that right I think it was that you said why I was trying to help you with something and it was just about to work I'm sorry I said why I can't get into this analogy
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speaker 2: right I don't know the connection expired while my laptop was closed oh nevermind maybe I'm back in what's the login and in constant 46 with the capital of C it does do you remember that day that you came over here and you were all happy with my mom and you were telling her don't touch my stuff when you were with your own mom earlier that day was your own mom telling her that you didn't need to worry you that you didn't need to worry about getting your stuff because your wife would never steal from you I don't understand what you're asking me like you were spending time with your own mother that day right I just wonder did your mom have any idea that you were planning on coming to pick up your camera equipment no I wasn't planning on it until I found out that addition to taking the network drive you would taking my desktop computer starting to disappear so your mom had no idea that you were going to take your camera so that was just like an emotionally-charged desperate action sure and you were actually feeling scared that I was going to steal your cameras or Salim and keep the money or something well that's a concern and it's also just a concern that knowing where my belongings are I'm in my office and then the networking closet yeah I'm not talking about whether it's a concern I'm just talking about it leading you to think that you need to get all your cameras and be mean to my mom in the question I guess this might be kind of obvious you didn't actually read all the paperwork that you filed with the courts right you just read some of it I don't know I thought I read it off but did you read the request for additional documents please what probably so did you know that you had requested I submit pictures of items that were being stored off-site
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speaker 2: don't know I mean I don't what does it mean when it says the system partition fails means that one of the hard drive is broken and that might eight has probably gone summer what do you want me to do about it are you serious that's why I didn't want that moved I don't want you to do anything about it don't touch it that's it what what else the bank like under system house Gallery it says that it partition failed and 119 to 1680 to 6 up time 12 hours six minutes twenty-six seconds and counting all right well if only one disk failed then I can just replace that disk and it'll be okay what do you want me to go where it says Lan one and change that on the drop-down anything I'm saying like maybe that's okay you understand it says Lan one under system partition failed right yeah that's everything but that's but that's the drop-down menu and I can pick my in two or three or four you don't want me to if it's only one hard drive then it is probably okay and place that hard drive but whatever physically happens to hard drive that have that hard drive smells very well another heart attack which case I'm going to be hosed because it's only redundant to lose one hard drive yeah for them too hard drives too hard drives are damage then I'm leaving all of my data has yeah just don't patch it or breathed on it or anything you mean the box right yeah but don't change anything don't do anything you mean on the box right yes well I hate to say it I think you did it I did what I don't know yet
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speaker 2: think I did something that you don't know yet yep does that mean I don't know yet why did you say I think you did it cuz that's what I think it did what I said I don't know yet are you saying that I did what why did you say that if you don't have anything that you think I did I just have to figure it out what's a PFD FD know PSD at the Delta Delta as his pictures do you want to tell me what you did LS do you want to tell me what you did I did what I don't know send me a wrecking my own files I would not do that oh why did you go straight to that you're accusing me of doing something here looking at my hard drive files off to me so you admitting it and being that I wrecked my own files know I'm telling you that you moving the hard drives physically damaged one of them and now recording that and it's putting data average wage say that again being the network drive physically damaged one of the hard drives and that's what it's regarding okay you did you moved it to thank you did if you hold for a minute I'll be back are you there all right if I look up let's see what is it called diagnostic criteria for a personality disorder will you tell me if you have it huh LinkedIn you're not going to tell me if you think the criteria matches you though what I don't know probably oh you don't want to okay I'm kind of what I'm ready to go to visit Vienna you're mad at me so you don't want me to pickle into from the drop-down y don't change anything on there and doing my data I don't think that you should ever speak to me that way again I think you should apologize for what you just did sorry how many friends do you have how many drives do you have what I forget I don't know how do I know if it's done copying and he's going to go in the paper back up and see how much percent in the hyper backup yep the other desk and how do I know if it completely deleted the readiness well while it was leased an icon at the top that was scrolling okay okay gotcha and can I look at all the data that has backed up from this analogy so far probably went down that's what's available in the file station well if you go to a station the USB drive speed one of the things in there and your file server Drive the what be something oh USB sharewood and I think the folder is file server Passover one yeah not bad what and I think I'm going to do it bad and then I think I'm going to go to bed and then I think I'm going to go to bed this is unusual I'm actually hearing the I think I'm going to go to bed part but I'm not hearing the first part I have to pee and then I'm going to go to bed I think so did you say I have to pee yeah is that what you said every time yeah okay I hope we can see each other tomorrow well we'll definitely see each other in the evening right yes all right bye do you want to get together during the day I don't know maybe all right bye I love you all right bye