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speaker 2: accept hi was that the recording system fault my phone here
speaker 1: yeah you're just saying that what was in the letter was technically
speaker 2: accurate I guess yeah
speaker 1: yeah I would agree but I would also say that the things in it that were true were clearly written from a perspective that was very selfish and very distorted in theory rebellious and a lot of the events that a lot of the events pointing the
speaker 2: Paradox that is I was in following their advice I was rebellious against God there is no actual way to follow them I was trying to follow them I'm trying extremely hard to follow that and just making it up though I
speaker 1: don't I mean I don't think so Dustin I don't I don't think that's I don't think that's true I mean it seems to me like you really flipped letting me pick the timeshare thing around like you
speaker 2: I'm sorry you made
speaker 1: other like like letting letting me pick the time-sharing schedule it seems like you utilize that advice and pretty manipulative way and that maybe you technically represented to me that your intention was to let me choose the time-sharing schedule but at the same time you used what I picked to go in bed with me and try to play the victim and make people feel bad for you and make people feel like you had done a Bad Thing by obeying the elders and then make people think that the elders had way overstepped their Authority by meddling in your legal Affairs and like you know what I mean you weren't actually doing it with a submissive heart with you know with appreciation for the fact that they were putting your marriage back together and giving you a path to reconciliation and pleasing God I think it was kind of manipulative and and going to Jackie alone like that and then using what he said thank you for
speaker 2: that I did not go to Jackie for that unsolicited told me that
speaker 1: and but Jackie doesn't know like that's that's what you're saying
speaker 2: like doesn't know then that's what I'm saying they did not do their job that's not true kind of going to need the first advice without knowing even to give me the same advice autonomy about knowing without even making a decision
speaker 1: oh well yeah actually I think the fact that Aaron witnessed the abuse nothing that's not true you're being dishonest there's no rule anywhere that says that won't have the elders have to have every last bit of information in order to know that they can trust their brother in Christ they
speaker 2: should have enough information to have a distant point of view you shouldn't be telling me one thing and then telling me something different
speaker 1: well what was in the letter that he agreed that you should follow consistent and anything he tells you at his house all alone when he only has access to your pathological charm and not access to record of your sins
speaker 2: okay what's wrong I don't know you just pathologized everything about me and Dinkins genuine as I possibly know
speaker 1: to be oh I'm sorry
speaker 2: I think
speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm sorry. I I didn't mean that your charm is not genuine I think that you are genuinely charming and that you're it's very appealing features like your kindness and your helpfulness and your hard-working NIV and your friendliness and like all of that like that's extraordinary Burleigh real so I'm not pathologizing that on its own but the extent to which we both know that there is a public Persona Dustin and then there's a behind-closed-doors Dustin that is very dark and controlling and violent is not I mean it's obviously that's true in every person in the whole world to an extent but but the the extent to which you know what I mean the extent to which you have that is Extreme enough that it's fairly safe to assume Jackie Hays is not capable of imagining it is that fair
speaker 2: enough I mean if I'm some Bengali I need to do to help my therapist understand that but I can get out if you're a
speaker 1: Bengali Bengali what did you say
speaker 2: spin
speaker 1: golly what is what's a spin
speaker 2: golly like a hypnotist manipulative
speaker 1: person no that's not what I just said I I I I was referencing the fact that you're very very abusive and that Jackie Hays didn't have direct access to seeing that Dustin I understand does that make sense yeah I'm not I'm not trying to pass all the guys you're like Pleasant nice side I'm saying like yes that is you that is nice that it's genuine but I'm saying that you have to allow that Aaron Bell has had to come face-to-face with something that is very dark in you I've been facing alone for a very long time and you have to allow that since I've seen it I'm capable of factoring it into my judgments and you have to allow that since Aaron is seen it he's capable of factoring it into a judgments and you have to allow that since Jackie Hays has not seen it he's not capable of factoring it into his judgments and that does not mean that he is not qualified to be an elder and that does not mean that he's not qualified to be part of a team where they come to a unified consensus wage based on Ernest searching of God's Will and based on Earnest prayer and based on Ernest and well-deserved trust among them
speaker 2: for
speaker 1: the judgements that they're hearing from one another what you did was pretty divisive and there's like if you read the Bible straight through like there are a lot of really really strongly worded warnings about people who would do that kind of divisive thing cuz the honorable thing to do when you're in Jackie's home is to pick up the phone while you're still in Jackie's home in call Aaron and and go ahead and seek Unity with Jackie and Erin and the Holy Spirit in that moment not sit with it let it faster and not write it into a letter that questions the Integrity of men of extraordinary Lehigh integrity just
speaker 2: so you know I wasn't sitting there and Becky's house going okay I'm going to blow these Elders up I know thinking why he was saying later yeah trying to
speaker 1: I know but the moment you piece
speaker 2: together pulled me and what I'm supposed to
speaker 1: do but the moment that you piece together that perhaps it wasn't the same as what was in the letter that Jackie was supposedly signed off on like that was the moment that was the moment to go straight to that person
speaker 2: and they have kind of already cut me
speaker 1: off I know but I'm I'm trying to help you see how what you are doing to them was was victimizing them is that going about and talking about them in the way that you've been going about talking about them is slanderous
speaker 2: and it wasn't any I did not say anything inaccurate about them yeah you did not send anything
speaker 1: inaccurate well then who said that who said that Aaron did something illegal perhaps
speaker 2: counselors
speaker 1: here so then you represented to them that you were in marital counseling with Aaron and he went and told
speaker 2: somebody I don't know on what basis they said what he did was illegal it's just what they told me okay I don't know if it's accurate but
speaker 1: I'm saying is that perhaps what you were representing to them that happened
speaker 2: he went and told somebody was
speaker 1: I don't know I mean is do you think that what do you think that they think you did that was illegal I mean you can't have possibly told them what he actually did not come up with that that's not possible that's literally not possible
speaker 2: he actually did something saying huh I did tell him what he actually
speaker 1: did yeah so you tell them like about how a man acts with extraordinary discernment and makes ginormous sacrifices for you and puts his life kind of on hold to spend hours studying God's word and praying for you and crying for you in ministering the gospel to you in a way that is loving and comforting and gives you
speaker 2: hope
speaker 1: and I'm saying I feel like you don't say that to somebody and they go. Sounds highly irresponsible and unethical and possibly even illegal like there's nobody that I I've told what errands done and they said that so you know what I mean your your ability to properly characterize a sequence of events is slightly suspect and concerning and points to the possibility of
speaker 2: slander I'm under anybody they describe everything they did with accuracy but if I'm manipulating it somehow if you could spell that out for my
speaker 1: therapist dead okay he's going to have to get those
speaker 2: you
speaker 1: know phones fixed right oh so so Ted said it
speaker 2: illegal if it was Tyler the other
speaker 1: one oh so Nathan said it
speaker 2: illegal huh what M where Tad okay
speaker 1: well there's absolutely zero chance that that's true by the way you know like you and I there's absolutely zero zero possibility that are in did something unethical and there's absolutely zero possibility that Aaron did something
speaker 2: illegal I don't know I don't not bail out for me what they were getting at so all
speaker 1: right well I'm just saying you and I saw it with our own two eyes so you and I who actually know what occurred are capable of looking at a situation in front of us in recognizing like he needs the highest standards of professional practice
speaker 2: I can agree with that but I retired after our group today oh good and I told him that I told you about thinking like my thinking is fuzzy or something yeah and I don't know if it's the medicine that I mind but I like look at nothing Marouane my eyes will see it sharp like right initially but then they focus anymore and maybe in a medicine I think I told that part to Megan who does my medicine going to buy medicine to prove that okay what
speaker 1: I can't hear you I can't hear you I pull that part okay
speaker 2: that's the fact that thing is getting clearer I think Ed that that maybe I need to get a name you're not
speaker 1: well what do you think about
speaker 2: that no idea I just use that somebody else besides me knows you said we should wait and see what my testing says from the stock. What do you think about that hello huh I don't know I think about it
speaker 1: I mean does it strike you as like making sense or does it strike you as being off base
speaker 2: and let's see don't know
speaker 1: any so are you extending your time at Honey Lake
speaker 2: I don't know I have to decide probably what probably I don't think that I should be out on my own hm I mean
speaker 1: just seems like you're going to need therapy for a really long time
speaker 2: yep
speaker 1: and it seems like this getting established with a counselor thing is rather tedious and initially fruitless I'm just thinking if your mom's looking to spend $10,000 how much further could that go you know what I mean
speaker 2: need to be in residential care right now because of the medications well that's one reason that they want me hearing but enough to see the
speaker 1: title and you feel like they're watching you all the
speaker 2: time let me watch different degrees depending okay
speaker 1: depending on
speaker 2: what I am
speaker 1: did the doctor did the doctor crop to tell you whether he's going to give you a treatment plan I don't
speaker 2: remember Becky is okay huh can't remember why
speaker 1: and did you did he tell you what all he screamed for specifically
speaker 2: oh but I think bring the many people that was done cover anything the what being too many people it's supposed to uncover anything and and what had been just take that one I took like an upgrade to
speaker 1: but he didn't use terms like access one access to or cluster a cluster b or mood or personality or he just said this is a full full evaluation
speaker 2: yes although I do that it uncovers those access the Nexus 2 issues I'm not understanding
speaker 1: of it but he didn't say that off
speaker 2: I'm going to be reached at
speaker 1: research what the past what test
speaker 2: Minnesota multiphasic personality index okay I'm
speaker 1: not sure if that's true
speaker 2: I got to get going honey
speaker 1: where you going
speaker 2: and turn in my stuff
speaker 1: all right
speaker 2: what yeah you together yeah
speaker 1: would you let me hug you yeah let me hug you I don't know if you remember the last time I tried to hug you though right
speaker 2: wow huh. Remember really yeah it'd be in serious yeah
speaker 1: it was a Saturday the very first Saturday that I'd been staying at Brianna's house and I came back here and I walked up to you in our front yard and I put my arms around you and I you didn't make you you didn't move like you pretended I wasn't there and I pushed my chest against you and you just stood like and I pressed my hips into you and you just like you just went like what are you doing all right like the key word like you know what I mean like there was like something wrong with
speaker 2: me I'm sorry
speaker 1: you said how do you don't
speaker 2: remember that you really don't
speaker 1: remember if it sounds familiar now that I like describe it in
speaker 2: detail and remember that had awkward interactions but I'm sorry
speaker 1: yeah but do you like remember me like really
speaker 2: remember
speaker 1: like me really like trying to be intimate with you and loving towards you and you being a being acting like it was
speaker 2: inappropriate yeah that happens I just don't remember that incident free credit yeah sorry yeah you can forgive me
speaker 1: something I forgive you a long time ago it really appreciate you acting like that's not
speaker 2: a case huh I'm sorry
speaker 1: I mean you know better right
speaker 2: I really do got to go though okay love you
speaker 1: bye-bye