speaker 1:  this call may be recorded press one to accept hi Mommy hey
speaker 2: the downstairs tenant stopped paying his rent so I'm going to go take him a three day notice okay I'm guessing maybe it would have something to do with what we were supposed to like expense out hotel stays or something and he was feeling probably feeling justified in withholding rent or something nonsensical but do you do you know all his expenses would have been so that I can offer to whatever subtract it out for him or was he supposed to keep receipts for that as far as you knew
speaker 1: I never heard from him was the amount would it been so okay I would be helping helpful for him to have receipts or if
speaker 2: I mean I would assume that what he would have done would have been just take his receipts subtract that from the amount due go ahead and pay the amount due and then give us the receipts but it's for some reason he's thinking that we have to do something to make that happen I mean is that okay with you or would you rather me write him a check to reimburse him after he paid all of his rent I think I would think that would make him a lot more uncomfortable than just to doing it
speaker 1: yeah I'm married with me okay I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that that's not anybody have the money okay
speaker 2: well but even if that's the case he's getting used the flooding as a
speaker 1: excuse yeah okay yeah exactly so yeah I mean you had agreed compound for that so as long as it's yeah I mean even if it's a reasonable amount not outrageous if that's the real issue then I would just give it to him
speaker 2: okay sounds good by so is it good enough for him to just like is it good enough for him to just screenshot or like take a picture of the receipt or do I need them like
speaker 1: physically I find
speaker 2: a picture of them yeah okay by
speaker 1: today
speaker 2: I'm actually pretty busy with stuff like this and yesterday was pretty awful so larki I don't feel like you even begin I don't think you have any any idea
speaker 1: any idea what the whole
speaker 2: riffic like how horrifically horrifically to you at Honey Lake
speaker 1: was in line and you really could cut out again I'm sorry you feel like you kind of
speaker 2: you understand that you told Nathan that everything that your mother wrote was true and that demonstrates to me that the things that you were saying to Nathan would have been in tandem with what your mom was saying and you understand that that means that all of the therapy that you received there was based on your own delusions and not reality I didn't write I didn't write a letter like your mom wrote to try to get my word in first before hers to try to make sure that they had a certain mentality before she got to you know Poison the Well she was very very methodical very methodical in painting an image before anybody got a chance to speak to me intentionally and she was very methodical in painting and painting that anything that you said to say that you trusted me was because of how I have emotionally manipulated elated you there is there is not a reasonable chance that they did not read her letter and there is not a reasonable chance there's not a reasonable
speaker 1: chance to confident that had didn't read her letter but you already have the notes for that
speaker 2: yeah but he didn't read it it doesn't matter the treatment team had already met to say Dustin's wife is emotionally abusing
speaker 1: him having trouble processing of you at am
speaker 2: having trouble moving forward with the divorce and looking toward his own interests or putting a roof over his head Dusty doesn't go who in his life that he can trust Justin has told his mother that he can't he doesn't know what people in his life have his best interests at heart but he only feels safe with people at work and Jeff and his
speaker 1: mom okay and they they affirm that I've never said that to my mom did you told me nobody Honey Lake I mean like
speaker 2: that about you or me like Dustin there's no way I'm sorry I'm sorry there's no there's no way there is no way
speaker 1: there's no way I am and I'm the one that would just they're interacting I haven't read that letter recently to remember. If you'd be
speaker 2: able to do you think you were suicidal and they said that you had been emotionally abused by your wife and very confused and very badly and didn't know who you could trust and who you couldn't trust
speaker 1: they do not think that
speaker 2: and I'm telling you that that's disturbing to me honey I'm
speaker 1: telling you that they don't think
speaker 2: that and I'm telling you that there's no way well there's no
speaker 1: way not
speaker 2: there's no way do you understand that you you you you yourself Acura so even if he hasn't
speaker 1: yet that means that there's parts that are not accurate the type of people that disregard outside opinion and interacted with with the a lot
speaker 2: Nathan This Woman's woman your mom is is crazy she's saying that my wife tried to run me over and that's you didn't miss anything and say oh my gosh man this this has it so backwards I'm the one who was abusing my wife and my mom somehow making it sound like my wife was abusing me you didn't write them say Nathan my mom thinks that I am confused about who I can trust I'm not I'm a hundred percent certain wage can trust my church leadership and my wife and I'm 100% certain that my mom is out that my mom is out to him
speaker 1: when I was suicidal I I
speaker 2: don't wage so I'm saying the information that you were giving Nathan did not contradict your mom's email and he rest of it and he shared his opinion wage before your treatment was turned over to Ted I'm not review I'm telling
speaker 1: you you're telling me I can't walk a hundred percent certain of that if you want to but you're going to be a hundred percent certain that something that you're wrong about
speaker 2: you don't know you're just making this is what you want me to believe you're concerned about what you want to believe right now you don't know you
speaker 1: don't know I was concerned you had if you had a
speaker 2: hundred percent certainty that was not reading it then you wouldn't have written him off you were not 100% certain that he did not read it when you wrote that to him and you can't be any more certain of it now than you were on the day that you if you have
speaker 1: like a relevant because Sera Sera. And
speaker 2: I know he did zero therapy but he he cleared his opinion with his treatment team they all had already decided and by the time it got to Ted Ted's going man I've only got a week to turn this around they said we screwed this up and we got a guy who can't put a roof over his own head the best I can hope all
speaker 1: what happens if you have any regard for Nathan whatsoever I read any of his notes you did not need
speaker 2: the impression that Nathan screwed up and there was only enough time left to get to convince you to put a roof over your head and seek counselling with you got out
speaker 1: well great
speaker 2: I I think that you don't understand the extent to which the mom poisoned that entire experience for you which is why I had concerns about her going to take you there and pay the bills from the get-go and I am telling you that your experience would have been completely different if I had taken you in September
speaker 1: all right I'm sorry I don't have to see him serapis it's because of your new but you don't understand is that that has zero to do with anything that happened to Honey Lake that's what you don't understand that's true I got the preliminary report from dr. crafts do you want to hear about
speaker 2: it sure hey buddy all right yeah okay buddy he says that
speaker 1: interviewing you he didn't because valuations screen
speaker 2: okay buddy all right
speaker 1: there's like more in here but I'm fully with the evaluation process took an extremely to he presented as extremely depressed and anxious he was able to provide a very detailed history and indicated that he's been devastated since his life life left him he related that back and depression have been exacerbated by production have also turned their backs on him indicated that he would like to reconcile his relationship with his wife recognizing that he was like like putting more energy into the relationship with the posthumous marriage although I will be glad to provide a more detailed report in the future I am providing a summary of my profession to do post-treatment page it should be noted that mister do first clinical profiles as asked by the mmpi-2 and the PA I are marked by significant elevations across the number of different scales indicating wage broad range of physical features increasing the possibility of multiple diagnoses although Mister considers like he may be on the Spectrum ultimate to the difficulties he has had all
speaker 2: right. Sup sup sup although although Mister what
speaker 1: consider that he may be on the Spectrum remote to the difficulties he has had an interpersonal relationships diagnostic considerations based on the testing include major wage order and our which means rule out obsessive-compulsive disorder
speaker 2: okay can you hold on just a second I can't I can't. I can't hear you because Simon just came in and asking me something and you're going to have to go back a whole sentence when I ask you to start again okay sorry about that go ahead
speaker 1: should be know that mister your first clinical profiles as assessed by the image and Innovations across a number of different fields indicating a broad range of clinical features can in fact be a multiple diagnoses you focus say he may be young Spectrum culture the difficulties he has had a relationship diagnostic consideration based on faith testing include major depressive disorder and our last show which means rollout obsessive-compulsive Personality Disorder so thank
speaker 2: God you think they ruled out
speaker 1: there saying that that's a consideration to be ruled out
speaker 2: oh okay
speaker 1: well
speaker 2: there's not any more toys in there buddy all right okay you can go in there you can go in there in the closet okay all right so start it cool out
speaker 1: well that's a compulsive personality disorder concern Mister Cucos responses to the critical items on the sometimes true to the statements I have made plans about how to age myself and I have no shift and mainly true to the statement I am I based on the totality of this evaluation I would concur with the affirmation affirmative diagnosis and I still view missing so as a suicide risk is highly dependent is a highly dependent individual who currently has a minimal support system not likely exacerbate his depression and anxiety went in the studio is discharged it is strongly recommended that he be seen twice a week for individual therapy on an outpatient basis home group therapy might also be considered likewise it will be important than the studio continues to comply with his medication regimen hopefully in the studio will be permitted Superbowl decent life with likely provide him some comfort that he is not his children in addition to his wife thank you for asking my assistance in this case and please do not hesitate to contact me if I can provide further information I would be glad to provide It Off
speaker 2: so I can't understand if that's saying that more is forthcoming or
speaker 1: not it seems like I'm guessing based on that.
speaker 2: Well it's scratch our buddy here yeah that's fine to stick for it okay. Yeah I know do you want to send that to me sounds like a lot less clear than I would have hoped you know or is that what you expected
speaker 1: I guess I was hoping that they would say something more clear about there being something wrong with me but
speaker 2: yeah I mean he's saying that there's elevations in a number of areas with multiple diagnoses possible but he's not saying he's not saying who's going to you know deal with those multiple elevations to get to the bottom of it and the last the only multiple elevations are related to OCD in which case I guess it would be the council you're saying twice a week right yeah I'm attending that
speaker 1: you bought the best analysis that
speaker 2: because yeah
speaker 1: cuz otherwise more like we're allowed this again
speaker 2: again again I spent like what ninety percent of that talking about things that have occurred in the last 4 months and it sounds like he may be spent ninety percent of his time with you talking about things that have happened in the last four months so so it's like if the last four months I've never occurred well I'm just saying what would what would have happened if you had gotten this evaluation last summer and you weren't talking about killing yourself or not having a reason to live and you weren't talking about you know what I'm saying like sure they could have still detected depressive disorder but wage if you removed everything from what you just read that has anything to do with your marriage ending you would be left with maybe two sentences he wouldn't have written two sentences for an entire evaluation if you had gone and seen him last summer
speaker 1: and
speaker 2: what okay we
speaker 1: didn't that's not what you were ninety percent of our time talking about our marriage when they do psychological analysis they're analyzing you at a frame and time and so he's trying to give you a picture of
speaker 2: what I know I'm just saying like the the thing that really matched the thing that really matters right now is that you're severely depressive and I Sidle like that's a that's huge right so he recognizes that there's this huge acute thing happening right now and that majorly overshadows any type of Personality what I know I'm just saying he's not going to ignore the fact that you're majorly majorly depressive and suicidal I know and I need a social
speaker 1: support
speaker 2: what what Monday what I don't I didn't find any more I'm sorry buddy I think I'm sorry dusting you you're you're happy happy with the evaluation and you want me to be happy about it too what
speaker 1: what I don't know oh
speaker 2: but you're unhappy with something I said I don't be with you what
speaker 1: happy
speaker 2: you what yeah I can't understand you is there something wrong with your
speaker 1: microphone yeah yeah
speaker 2: yeah okay I think I think you're cutting in and out though on whatever my cure all
speaker 1: you're talking to Jamie around 9:30 this morning
speaker 2: I think so yeah
speaker 1: like they would be and then I believe me later on yeah
speaker 2: what I
speaker 1: think it would be better than what
speaker 2: yeah that's what I told well I was telling her for the kids like you know you don't understand that off right now they're like their dad not being here they don't they don't really notice that as being an odd thing it's been such a normal part of their lives like they would feel like that's stable and it said but you spend two years you know putting putting us in a situation where they would actually feel like their fathers being taken away from them or their mothers being taken away from them or having a two-parent home as being taken away from them and they're old enough you know to be really really thinking about like whose fault is this and your mom still going to be motivated to influence them to feel a certain way about it like that could seriously seriously seriously emotionally crippled for life you know but hers was more within the context of being Dustin even yesterday just did like dead one thing after another after another after another after another all day long to show you that his thinking hasn't changed and to show you that he's just as untrustworthy and just as unsafe as always and she was trying to say that that's something that I could Overlook for now off and give you a chance to essentially behave right in spite of your wrong thinking like you know like she like the thing with you paying for Rush twenty-four-seven like the fact that when I told you to cancel it you wouldn't do it and the fact that you're not able to think about your children's best financial interests and the fact that you're willing to tell me that you're not doing it no matter what even though you've said you do anything and the fact that you say you'll give me all your money but you're going to fight me over $75 and then the fact that when I say that we're divorcing over it you roll your eyes and hugged me when you go to type a letter the rest 24/7 like that alone you know is is really scary evidence that anything that destination is saying right now is just to get back in a position of power and control and he has no intention whatsoever of making good decisions or respecting your request in the future and so the fear is that I'm going to fall for what you're saying right now or I'm all for going well he is he is actually you know when I threatened to leave him he is actually doing the right thing and then that only lasts for six months that's the fear on my end, and she's saying but can't you give him a chance can't you can't you give that to you as you see what happens
speaker 1: if we can't be
speaker 2: because you don't feel you don't feel like you
speaker 1: can idea
speaker 2: I'm committed to the idea of not destroying our children's lives I'm committed to the idea of not making them watch I watch grow up watching emotional abuse I'm committed to the idea of not spending in Iraq Oblivion and then blaming the wife or not letting you access the home equity that you worked so hard for like I'm in favor of giving them a real home a real home with a real marriage like ca and Jamie gave their kid a real home with a real marriage like my parents gave their children a real home with a real marriage like Kevin Anderson are giving their kids a real home with real marriage like Matt and Jessica are giving their kids a real home with a real marriage like Neil and Pam gave their kids a home with a real life
speaker 1: that's the only thing I'm pursuing yes so there's no sense in doing six months of a fake marriage too then divorced me I can understand that
speaker 2: well it's up to you whether you're Faking It and and that's the thing you're blame-shifting again you're acting like I'm the one who's going to string you along and then dumped you when in reality you were the one who caused the divorce the first choice and if it ever happens in the future it will definitely not maybe but definitely be you again like this is one if that's what you've got to own that that's one hundred percent on you and 0% on me because you know that no matter what paperwork ever gets filed with the courts to protect your family financially from your destructive patterns off and your family from your destructive presence I am still eternally committed to you and only you and what is in your best interest including raising your children in the same emotionally and psychologically way healthy healthy way possible no matter how you're acting I'm still completely committed to your best interest off over what's easiest and happiest for me and you can choose to behave in a way that causes the courts to have to get involved in protecting your family or you can be the one to protect your family yourself I'm sorry buddy did you read the John
speaker 1: Piper articles I sent you
speaker 2: okay sure yep that's a
speaker 1: copy what and it's copy
speaker 2: I'll try to check yeah Jamie offered to meet with us tonight but I assume that you wouldn't want that what do you think you
speaker 1: could be over her opinion
speaker 2: of this know still meet with
speaker 1: ca ca can pay me to
speaker 2: 5 oh okay it just depends on Robbie Curtis has surgery because my mom has to drive Robbie home from her surgery so as long as it's over in timing as
speaker 1: you can so I can like
speaker 2: him yeah I would say yes but you understand Rob he's in surgery okay okay. So it would just be for some reason I don't want to be
speaker 1: neither okay what it's hard enough
speaker 2: with the third person I don't want okay okay did you get your mom removed from your treatment permission set Honey Lake cuz she might already have a standing order that your paperwork is going to go to her as soon as
speaker 1: it's ready you're not going to do that but I will remove
speaker 2: her and they can't not do that he's given her permission no they can't they they already told me they already told me that since I was on your list of permissions that I could call 14 days after you're discharged send me all your paperwork that's how it's set up that's the reason that people who have to check into a mental institution put other people on their file because it's presumed that the other people who care about them can possibly be in a better position to manage what needs to happen than the person who is dead zone herbal and checked in and when you showed up there you represented to everybody on staff that your mom was more competent to care for you than you were to care for yourself do you date if you wrote to nation that this was actually both closely accurate
speaker 1: lol okay go back and look at that letter cuz I don't like you talking to me about it when I can't look at
speaker 2: it okay I'm just telling you you said this is mostly accurate LOL and that colored every single things that happened last time you were at Honey Lake you said that so many times Dustin do you understand that you're just lying because you want that to be true so all right
speaker 1: actually happened cuz I was
speaker 2: actually involved in the process all right I've got to go collect rent you want to send do you want to send me the report from dr.
speaker 1: crop
speaker 2: I
speaker 1: don't know it doesn't sound like you're interested in
speaker 2: pursuing I don't know why you're saying that
speaker 1: completely disregarding anything that I've done to better myself and you're talking about a month but not have me in their life
speaker 2: no I'm not disregarding any of the good things you did it was it was really why are you saying I didn't do any good things it was so it was I told you it was so amazing that you told me thank you for divorcing me or for petitioning for divorce that was amazing and it was so so so so good that you actually did ask rest 24/7 for a refund that woke up saving and it was so so so so good that that last time that I was crying you came and you had compassion on me like those huge things and that's the reason I'm on the phone with them right now if I thought that things were like they were in December we would only be messaging through Our Family Wizard app and I would be ignoring every message that wasn't directly related to pick up or drop off the kids and I don't even know what this point if there would be time with the kids because it sounds like doctor Krupp thinks that should be super vised but that's not where we are we're we're at me recognizing huge changes that you've made and really hard work that you've done okay but there's enough that's still off for me to be making sure that I'm not getting myself into something that's just pulling the wool over my eyes off I'm going to blow up later in a way that's going to hurt my kids that's something that you want me to do right you want me to be behaving that way you want me to be thinking that way you took me to be protecting them that way it sounds like we're on the same page about that
speaker 1: okay I was in that report
speaker 2: you're what okay I will go collect rent and thanks bye thanks bye thanks