speaker 1:  hi hey
speaker 2: where are you 14th Street y you know take a break at the house
speaker 1: heading towards the
speaker 2: house towards towards our house on North 14th Street
speaker 1: no
speaker 2: McDonald okay why can't you have the kids over
speaker 1: a little bit stressed out I need to find out with them if they're okay having kids over and got that time time to figure it
speaker 2: out Once you pull over and call them when why don't you just ask them if they're okay having kids over at that time I'm going to huh
speaker 1: I'm going to
speaker 2: like now all right 12:30
speaker 1: whenever I get there the last then I'll be able to look after them
speaker 2: see all right
speaker 1: I'll try and make it sooner if I
speaker 2: can no it's okay today is probably not a good day
speaker 1: I would like to see them well I know
speaker 2: when when is your next therapy appointment counselling or whatever
speaker 1: I don't know I got a call them confirmed recieving my paperwork
speaker 2: it sounds to me like today is not a good day cuz you've got other stuff you need to do okay if
speaker 1: that's the case that I'm probably not going over there yet
speaker 2: hold over where
speaker 1: next to McDonalds.
speaker 2: Where you going VyStar
speaker 1: okay all right I am sent you don't like you to get that way I wish I wish that we could get along really don't want to argue with
speaker 2: you I don't think that you
speaker 1: should so you need to stop arguing with me and need to stop asking me to agree with you about stuff that we don't agree
speaker 2: about you're going to need to I think that you're like to make it in this world you're going to need to accept that there's some things about the way you perceive human interaction well that is very far off from
speaker 1: reality you need to stop asking me my opinion I don't know that I necessarily agree with that but I don't argue with you and I
speaker 2: think my most primary requirement my most non-negotiable before having control finances before anything my most absolute need in order to ever be in a relationship with you is that you determine that you are going to trust the Judgment of other people
speaker 1: then you need to not ask me for my opinion you need to not argue with me
speaker 2: know people need to be able to tell you stuff and you accept that it's true people need to
speaker 1: be able to say
speaker 2: what you were doing with child you
speaker 1: don't need to have the right don't agree with me I don't value my opinion you don't need to ask for
speaker 2: it so okay that's not actually my fault that you've done what you've done to me I've
speaker 1: never said anything that I've done is your fault do not believe
speaker 2: that but you're saying that it's right and rational and good and what that means
speaker 1: no I'm not that you're not a same thing down you
speaker 2: said anything rational is good for you to not file a motion for temporary needs for 50% time with the children
speaker 1: wild the advice of our elders and I did
speaker 2: know you did not that was that was extremely manipulative for you to claim that you were finally following the advice of the elders in that there's a shortage mirror
speaker 1: beneficial not interested in
speaker 2: arguing with you then don't say I did that on the the advice of our
speaker 1: don't ask me about it don't I'm not
speaker 2: asking you about it I'm telling you I'm giving you information it's important information for you to know because you can't come to it by your own logic because your own logic does not work the only way you can come the truth is you listen you listen to what I'm telling you
speaker 1: already listen to what you're telling me and I don't agree I did he do to stop asking me for my opinion if you don't care about it so
speaker 2: you need to change your opinion so that I am not being asked to put myself in a position to be re-victimized by you you're not a safe person with the opinions that you hold your a very dangerous person with the opinions that you hold the way that you feel entitled
speaker 1: thing I can do I don't do to do so say no not interested in arguing with you if you don't want to argue with me that don't force me into talking about stuff where we don't agree I just do not understand I don't know I don't know how to help
speaker 2: but because you can't claim that you've been bad to me and I'm a victim of yours while also taking every single instance of abuse that somebody can name for you and saying it was you acting honorably and good
speaker 1: I've two years ago Contrition they should have done differently
speaker 2: and I but you you point at these things that don't eat learn even that bad like not abuse things and you weren't to act like you're all she said oh those going
speaker 1: to the things that I perceive that I actually did and I am sorry for them and if I don't perceive that I did something I mean if you're talking about the thing you say that I'm saying that's notarized that's easily verifiable literally zero point in arguing about that we could just look at it
speaker 2: the reason we're having a conversation about whether you signed it or not is because you're trying to deny responsibility for the content which on its own is manipulative and strange and not a normal way to go about
speaker 1: the content you are you see you for telling me I don't
speaker 2: understand what you're saying he said I don't you don't understand how this lawyer thing works clearly
speaker 1: you don't you you're claiming that I told him what to put in his paperwork and that's not true I know what would you characterize doing from a legal perspective but he didn't go into I have a right to 50% of my children's time and you express that you don't want to have our children for fifty percent of the time according to what's normal in the court system that is abnormal and manipulative is adding characterizing from the context of situation because you weren't filing for temporary needs
speaker 2: I
speaker 1: didn't file for temporary needs because you told me that you didn't want me to have the children except for every other weekend and one night a week and you asked me to follow the leadership of our house and they told me to give you whatever you want but you
speaker 2: can't use that against me to make me look bad
speaker 1: I'm not using it against you to make me feel bad that we should be following what the court would have you follow then you should file a motion not victimized motion that you're complaining about
speaker 2: yeah but you're trying to make me look bad for not giving you the 50% and I was never even actually given that opportunity
speaker 1: and I asked you repeatedly in your app thing that you saying has the record no not have 50% of the children no yes I did
speaker 2: I was when you asked if I would keep the kids for you from 6:30 a.m. until 5 and
speaker 1: then after I only offered that because you wanted more time with the children and I thought that you would be joyful about it when you did inside and that's not true is it didn't want to if you didn't want to be back on
speaker 2: then you would have gone and you would have gotten after care and you would have filed a motion and you would have had the kids
speaker 1: every other week you have the other saying not to pursue time with my children
speaker 2: I I did no such thing and you know that there were others who were telling you that you could go ahead and file that Marshal the facts together and said told me
speaker 1: that beforehand they told me that for you ma'am
speaker 2: we need to use this man for wanting to spend time with his children let's write a letter where we say that this man is spinning by trying to spend time with his children and that we're not going to support him and trying to spend time with that's not what happened that
speaker 1: was something that you should decide to call the matter is the time sharing that yes it is
speaker 2: true it's true I should decide
speaker 1: all of the want to argue with me I don't okay well it just because you're destined it's it's a letter can pull up the letter and you can look
speaker 2: at it like why are we arguing that in the letter but I'm saying the fact that you're having to distort things that are black and white on paper in order to make up a contract that fits the way you want to feel that you
speaker 1: choose victimized you on hold and
speaker 2: not done too strong but
speaker 1: it did that's kind of I don't have to make anything up and I don't choose to do any of them
speaker 2: to change the contents of the letter in order to make yourself a victim of the elders and in order to suck really really bad legal as you carried out against me and the really bad mom shaming that you carried out against me for what wasn't my fault which was the fact that you chose on your own pick your own brain not to file a motion that wasn't my fault you
speaker 1: used to that you were not following about it in this very conversation and they this is dead
speaker 2: I
speaker 1: can't argue with you anymore I can't I'm just saying if the courts was so so keen on making sure you how to 50% shouldn't have been a conversation between us ever because you would have walked in there it's absolutely would give me 50% and we never saw that you were here because I didn't want you badly in court if you actually probably would have to talk about with the courts actual decided but you wouldn't I didn't want to sue you and how different it is something I'm not getting divorced and I have a file that single Hearing in court because I'm not
speaker 2: interested in getting divorced either and you're also not interested in stopping victimizing me you're walking around killing people and teaching your children from you that's not my fault
speaker 1: telling anybody anything talking to
speaker 2: anybody hey but that you could pick them up and took them to school and then had them go to you told me I'm not allowed to have them I did not I did not the only thing I've said about your name was twenty-four seven day or night no restrictions all the time every time
speaker 1: if I ever happen to ask for them all right that's not you know it's argue with you age it does not want to argue it's not more don't it's not true going to have to go true that's all you call me.
speaker 2: You have to make up a lie you have to make up an actual life but you actually asked the kids and I actually turned you down ever in order to support this convoluted idea that your wife kept your children
speaker 1: from you there for your available pointless conversation
speaker 2: it's a lie it's a lot you can't get to sound conclusions if you're starting with false
speaker 1: premises okay and we do not agree so
speaker 2: but we have the proof we actually have those messages you
speaker 1: can use your proof or whatever you want I've already told you whatever you ask me for that's what I'm going to give you took zero interest in
speaker 2: argue saying that you can't tell me conversations you have on your attorney
speaker 1: what
speaker 2: you were telling me that the table today that you can't tell me conversations you had with your attorney
speaker 1: yeah that violates our attorney-client
speaker 2: privilege did he really tell you that wage yes are you being serious
speaker 1: I really don't I don't want to do this I don't want to argue I
speaker 2: just I know I just want to make sure that I understand I just told you that I don't want to talk about my conversations with my attorney are you definitely claiming that that's because he told you that if you told me that would be
speaker 1: violent anything or argue with you anymore
speaker 2: did your attorney tell you that you weren't allowed to tell me what he said or that would be violating attorney-client
speaker 1: privilege I'm not going to characterize my conversation with my attorney with you I'm not going to argue with you may find this to be a completely pointless conversation when I'm telling you if you decide to divorce me you can have whatever you want I
speaker 2: know but in order for me to trust that strong and not just fake to try to get me to do something that you can then turn around and point a finger and say see what she does when I tell her she can have every trusted or not we have no control over them I could trust you more if you were telling me honestly did your
speaker 1: attorney help you that you're not allowed to my dad because that is violating it to my attorney I don't think that that's
speaker 2: appropriate do you think it's violating attorney-client
speaker 1: privilege I don't know Aaron I'm not a lawyer
speaker 2: but you definitely were told that by
speaker 1: him I told you I'm not going to answer that you want to create this entire like web of catching my attorney doing something when I'm telling you you can have whatever you want
speaker 2: know I'm trying to figure out if it is why you're hiding stuff for me while I can help you with that and why you want to keep it an Ace in the Hole of being able to use this attorney like what side are you gearing up for while you try to tell me that I don't need to worry about you fighting me anymore like I
speaker 1: don't want I don't want something based on your erratic behavior in court that you're going to suck get my attorney tossed out and we have to debate about it because something that doesn't even matter is what are we fighting in court I understand
speaker 2: I don't
speaker 1: understand you're trying to use list to get my attorneys hopped out or something I don't know I have no idea what I'm saying like what do you what do you see that we're
speaker 2: going what are we litigating I understand what we're litigating
speaker 1: beats me and I don't I don't understand what this is all about I told you you can have whatever
speaker 2: on it if we're not entering into the computer
speaker 1: but I'm saying so like to have an attorney or
speaker 2: attorney for you're scared that he's going to stop representing you I'm
speaker 1: not scared I don't care
speaker 2: that's what I'm not understanding well I'm not understanding if when you when you all of a sudden went to that I can't talk about things took
speaker 1: you understand that I don't want to argue with you you understand the this is not healthy or question cuz I don't want you to ask me questions it's distressing to me and everything you asked me is designed to argue with me I don't want to argue with you don't
speaker 2: I'm not designing to argue with you yes you are no I'm I'm needing to
speaker 1: know need to know about my attorney in the context of whatever you want don't need
speaker 2: to whether whether you are honest and
speaker 1: trustworthy you're obviously not believe that can't help you
speaker 2: brought it you could if you were being honest and trustworthy
speaker 1: consistently
speaker 2: I
speaker 1: can't help you out all this
speaker 2: subject changing and blame-shifting you can you can you're the one who decided to bring up the thing about not being able to talk about your conversations with your attorney because we were talking about the paperwork that you had him file and you need to
speaker 1: I'm still choosing not to talk about my conversations with my
speaker 2: warranty I know I'm just saying this whole thing is this convoluted distraction from the actual
speaker 1: conversation wage increase some legal battle with you paperwork something that you understand you can have whatever you want it's not going to do
speaker 2: that those motions are standing right now and their life forever yeah and this whole convoluted thing about your attorney I didn't even bring up your attorney today you brought him up as some kind of scapegoat for your friend of filing false
speaker 1: statement month filed any false statements
speaker 2: yes you have even though it everybody everybody who knows me knows it's fall is that kind of focus there's there's so much falseness in the court documents that are public record right now it's
speaker 1: it's an extremely odd but
speaker 2: there's a lot of false you think that I put my wants before the children's best interests ever
speaker 1: Aaron you think that it's in the children's best interest for them to have no time with me every other weekend so no no yes no yes do you could have held everyone in the world it's it's not reasonable to think that my wife would never put her once before the children's best interests you need to
speaker 2: strike that right now. I might be comfortable with you saying that the Y feels the to the children's best interest for her to have primary custody but you're not going to say that my mom has ever put her once before anybody's wants because I'm pretty sure that my wife hasn't even had any once since I married her well the strike that Jesse strike it now I'm punching you in the face like that's what I
speaker 1: husband does okay I my level of interest in your divorce last year is
speaker 2: zero that's terrific Dustin it's a public record that is for riffic okay that is horrific like like sickeningly horrific for them to say that right now
speaker 1: I think it's terrific that you think I should see my children
speaker 2: that's a lie you're a liar when you say that I think that you should see your children so much more time with your children ever had when you were in charge of it so much more than you ever had when you were the one
speaker 1: and I was every single night I had a real relationship with that
speaker 2: not true that is not true you had to
speaker 1: call me back when you're spending interested in
speaker 2: you had no problem spending weeks at a time I gave
speaker 1: them when we both agreed that it was best for our family
speaker 2: for you go to go spend time with Carson that's what we agreed we agreed that you needed to spend more time with kids so you should go to the springs with Carson so what what I don't understand what you're saying why we both know how you were choosing to spend your time okay it was it was pretty bad Dustin it was pretty bad yeah
speaker 1: I renovated a house with your parents took me away from my family I regret doing it no no
speaker 2: that's not what happened
speaker 1: yes no you still doing it you were still doing
speaker 2: it you were still doing it
speaker 1: still renovating a house for your parents still just that
speaker 2: children should not true
speaker 1: yes it is. I
speaker 2: know you were going to spend time with his family so the what Julie's
speaker 1: family I don't understand you were not
speaker 2: home you were not home for bedtime every day after you started working for American
speaker 1: classic and you know it and I know it I was home for bedtime quite often I don't know how many nights I missed but this idea that you taking my children except for the other week need more time with them as false
speaker 2: it absolutely gave you more time with them you know you know that when you have them every weekend that was more quality time with them than you had ever had and you know that and poke bar like maybe Cape Cod or something you know one off but you know that and they you know that they noticed that they recognize
speaker 1: that why are we learning
speaker 2: I have no idea I cannot even fathom great
speaker 1: I don't either I guess it's just the
speaker 2: distraction I guess it's a distraction from the false statements that
speaker 1: are absolutely a distraction
speaker 2: then why did you do it why wouldn't you just say yes I filed false statements you could love one another but you know it it's not an agree or disagree it's an absolute fact I
speaker 1: can't help you
speaker 2: you can because you know you know like it's like
speaker 1: Brianna would say no I know I I know you know you asked for the children to see me every other weekend and that you didn't provide any needs for me to see them fifty-fifty which is normal and that the courts viewed as being manipulative true that's not true that's
speaker 2: about arguing about this I don't know the first day that I went to Brianna and Kevin's house. You literally have gotten out of bed gone to Captain Brianna's house picked them up and never brought them back to me again I took no action to prevent them from picking them up and I took no action to require you to
speaker 1: brush his being
speaker 2: incorrect that's not true I took actually no action I have I have messages to you saying 24/7 no restrictions day or night any day off that's what you were told when you asked me if I would babysit for you before and after school I said that doesn't really work and I suggested what I'm pretty sure would end up being the kids eventual schedule chosen by a judge because I know what would come out in court and I know I know what rulings that end up in 50/50 have in common and they don't talk much in common with our scenario so I only take what I think
speaker 1: we're not we're not going to agree about this this isn't something that we should be arguing
speaker 2: about you don't need to argue with me you ought to listen Dustin
speaker 1: okay
speaker 2: there was never a time that I told you that you couldn't have the kids 50% there was never a time that I told you that you couldn't have the kids one hundred percent it wasn't my responsibility to line up before care for you it wasn't my responsibility to line up after care for you and when you asked me if I was going to do that and I suggested instead following the schedule that I was and still am ordinarily confident is what the judge will end up choosing I told you that we should do that for now because it's in the
speaker 1: children whatever you pick told you you could pick everything
speaker 2: I know but I'm just saying historically you want to go back and create this false story completely false completely not based in any message that I've ever sent you or anything that I've ever spoken to you this
speaker 1: completely one hundred percent false
speaker 2: one hundred percent false with no truth to it whatsoever story that I wasn't letting you a 50% time with kids just because when you suggested that I'd be here before and after care I said that didn't work for me and I instead suggested what matches my children's seven year history and matches what you'll probably be my children's next seven years of future based on what I feel the courts are extremely likely to rule and that gives my children Stabilitrak in this extremely stressful enter it. And it has resulted in my kids having the minimal possible amount of psychological damage the hell that you've been putting your family through I didn't say that that was necessary I didn't say that I was going to stop you from getting 50% I didn't say that I was going to call the police if you pick them up and kept him overnight on a Monday night I didn't go to the school and try to get them to not let you pick the kids up I didn't go through the corner
speaker 1: so what is the surname of the school's responsibility why is the school so belligerent
speaker 2: I have no idea maybe it's because you I don't know maybe it's because they're maybe cuz you don't have court papers maybe normally somebody would go ahead and actually settle things with the final judgment and then be able to show which weeks they have this
speaker 1: scheduling appointments with me and rolling my kids and things without notifying me and not calling me back when I asked her
speaker 2: conferences so honestly that is across the board and it is like your responsibility to when you're married love and nurture a relationship with your wife that is such that it is safe for her to talk to you because every woman who has a husband who loves honors and nurtures their relationship such that he is a safe person to talk to them more information about what's going on with the kids from his wife than he ever even wanted because that's what women do in safe situations they talk and talk and talk so you're in this very very very not normal category of men who are not actually like pursuing getting a final judgment so that they have weekends or they have every other week or whatever so the way you should be getting your information is through your what and that's not really their fault but you're not getting that and this feeling that you're having of being upset with them for not like reorganizing everything off for you to somehow have this direct access line is part of a mentality that is unique to you where you feel like an exaggerated sense of entitlement relative to reality you're thinking that they need to bend over backwards and do double the work and communicating to Lucy's parents that they do for anybody else because your father and you're entitled to it when reality is more that that something you earn by being
speaker 1: non abusive
speaker 2: to your child's mother earth and that's what everybody else does to get information about their children and you want to subvert it and say now I'm going to abuse my wife and demand access to this information so it's hard for me so you to put out a public record that is so false and so derogatory towards me and makes you look so good because if you took everything in your document that says wife and you changed it to husband and then you took everything in your document that says husband and you changed it to wife you would then have a truthful document wage and even with that being the case I never filed such statements about you I could have easily said that I have always looked to the children's every physical emotional need and I could have easily said in there that you've really negligent and I didn't do that like I've spent my whole life trying to honor your reputation Everglade myself down like many many multiple times to allow myself to look bad so that you could look good but every chance you get you'll reverse it and I don't I just don't see how I can live that way and you want to say that you don't care about my divorce and your excuses because you're going to give me a
speaker 1: phone I'm not going to find anything else if you give me something to sign then I'll sign it you can file that
speaker 2: it's out you understand it's outstanding like it's it's it's already there and you're wanting to pretend that it doesn't matter that it's
speaker 1: there well I don't agree with your statements about it so I'm not
speaker 2: I don't agree with the document it's completely
speaker 1: fine that you don't I just that's what I'm saying this is something that we need to argue
speaker 2: about yeah you think that I have once in this world other than my children's best interests
speaker 1: you and I disagree about what's in the best interest of the children I know but you should I put my best interests to the children to see their father
speaker 2: and I actually wrote in the document which was that I put my before I put my once before their best interests so in order for my wants to be prioritised above their best interests I have to have a
speaker 1: want know you have to have a mischaracterization of what's in the children's best
speaker 2: interests that's completely different you said that I put my wants above their best but
speaker 1: above what's actually in the best interest of the children you want to have them all the time so I don't I
speaker 2: don't that's not what I want at all never been what I want that doesn't even make sense that I would want that
speaker 1: that's what your court filing vast for
speaker 2: not because I want it because of the garbage that's been handed to be by you it doesn't mean I won't
speaker 1: say you don't want it you want it enough to file for
speaker 2: that I don't know if I could file for it I filed you stop being an abuser that's what she filed for that's what I want that puts in my children's best interests and I have no control over it gosh I do anything you want me to believe that about myself that I have poor judgements about about what's best for my children you
speaker 1: know that I like your judgment about what's best for our children I don't know this is just absurd well I never said that I don't think you have a good judgment about what's best for our children it wasn't my fault I thought you were abusing just
speaker 2: going to work Lance it wasn't my fault it wasn't my fault that you were spending money the way you were spending money it wasn't my fault that you were pursuing Julie the way you were pursuing Julie it wasn't my fault that you were hurt emotionally the way you were hurting me emotionally it wasn't my fault that you were doing all these projects instead of spending time playing with your kids none of those things were my fault those are the factors that are at Play When a judge decides what the teachers I know but those are the that a judge takes off to account and those are the factors that I was taking into account because I excellent judgment and just because the outcome doesn't match the majority of families and Nassau County who don't have our history is not my birthday I'm taking an action from the into account the same way a judge would take our actual circumstance into account and you're well aware that my judgment is excellent well and you're well aware
speaker 1: that's going to get a chance to find out why judge with time because I'm telling you you can pick everything to happen to disagree with what the judge my existing if I wasn't here like you take everything
speaker 2: with me
speaker 1: is me whatever you want
speaker 2: exactly sure you understand how that makes you that you're oh do you understand how that they could do the
speaker 1: market understand you like me nobody nobody cares what I think including you is dead early absurd to say that I
speaker 2: everybody at Honey like everybody American Classic Homes everybody in the whole just feels
speaker 1: clammed most people don't really have anything to do
speaker 2: with us off and everybody who read our Reserve court documents I I took my children away from their wonderful father because I have terrible judgment about what some children's best interest or if you read it you think I want something that she puts above the children's best interest and if you're going to work play that by saying that was my children's best interests so I put my I put the children's best interests above the children's actual best interests which I don't think is what you were wanting people who your lawyer was wanting people who read it to presume you get to be a victim forever
speaker 1: whatever you want to file just file it and I will sign
speaker 2: it what if it's false I don't know I don't what do you mean false I am if I ask you to
speaker 1: file for you whenever you ask for it is what we refer you said well whatever it doesn't make a difference to me saying you can have whatever you
speaker 2: want so you're saying that your character is such that you are not above filing statements that you believe to be
speaker 1: false no I'm not saying that say whatever you want is not false it's what we're going to
speaker 2: do yeah but if I asked you to file a statement that your wife has never and would never put her once before with children's best interests and that was going to be public record you'd sign that
speaker 1: sure
speaker 2: that you believe it to be false what is that your wife has never and would never put her once above the children's best interest
speaker 1: sure and sure
speaker 2: Utah I'm not
speaker 1: sure
speaker 2: because you believe that it was false when you said that your wife did that
speaker 1: no
speaker 2: because your character is that you're willing to file false statements no which is it neither which is it neither was it a true statement when you filed it before yes then would you be willing to sign a paper saying that it was a false statement when you said your wife put her once above the children's best interest no choice but you would say that your wife has never in would never do such a thing
speaker 1: I don't know I guess
speaker 2: I you understand that the first rule of
speaker 1: logic is and I can't this is
speaker 2: ridiculous what I usually like the first rule of logic is if a is true then not a is
speaker 1: false okay I think it's debatable I think I think I think it's not a concrete truth within the best interests of our children and I think that we have a disagreement about it and I think that regardless of that disagreement I'm afraid of you because I love you that's what I think
speaker 2: whatever I want you said you'll do anything I
speaker 1: want yeah I've only sent that over a month
speaker 2: so I want you to tell me that Jesse tell you that telling me about your conversations with him with attorney-client privilege yes do you feel like Jesse cares about your children more than he cares about your interests
speaker 1: hey I honestly I don't know about
speaker 2: that what would be your hunch
speaker 1: I don't have a hunch
speaker 2: all right you want to go ahead and schedule your counseling appointment I strongly advise sir okay and do you want to find out when your mom's
speaker 1: arriving yeah but she's probably going to make that a function of when I see the children
speaker 2: what do you think that's for the kids oh gosh
speaker 1: honey I'm quite honestly I'm not in not in a mental state to be doing any of those but these conversations are traumatizing to me my mother is traumatizing to me
speaker 2: but you want your stuff
speaker 1: back need to be in a mental institution like legitimate what I mean I need my stuff back if I'm going back to work out a bunch of my tools off okay but she left a bunch of stuff here that I need to take
speaker 2: back and your truck yeah like what
speaker 1: glassware Linens
speaker 2: I
speaker 1: don't know
speaker 2: stuff that she left stuff for a new house at your truck but she took stuff that you need for work
speaker 1: yes well she was coming down here to set up an appointment for me oh
speaker 2: okay why did you change her mind
speaker 1: why what
speaker 2: why didn't she get an apartment
speaker 1: cuz I told her I need to go to Honey Lake that was
speaker 2: suicidal
speaker 1: going to do that
speaker 2: then why did she leave you in a hotel oh
speaker 1: I see what you got to get an apartment and I told her that I couldn't be on my own
speaker 2: anymore okay she but she came down already knowing you suicidal and thinking that she was going to like move you into apartment and get you all set and she
speaker 1: couldn't right right okay
speaker 2: so why did she take your cameras cuz I don't have a house then why didn't you just leave them in your camera cabinet
speaker 1: I was feeling upset that things were disappearing out of my office I had no way to verify where they were going or what happened to
speaker 2: them and you ended Jessie tell you to send them to Maryland no you just started that on your
speaker 1: own no checking into a mental Clinic
speaker 2: sorry huh. I'm sorry it's just I know you don't like talking about it's just confusing to me like it felt rational to you to think my wife is selling my valuable items to stash the cash away for herself it's pretty common I know but I'm not very
speaker 1: common I don't know I don't I still don't know where my hard drives are and that's that's worth a lot more to me than the camera equipment
speaker 2: okay the right here and that's that's what I mean the camera thing didn't make sense but at the time
speaker 1: it made to disappear when we had an agreement for them to stay where they
speaker 2: were didn't make sense Dustin you were dictating that they needed to stay where they were young and you were coming into my house displacing me from my house making my mouth feel uncomfortable in my house every time the electricity went
speaker 1: off I only came to the house and you asked me to and they were there are agreements that they would stay there so I could work remotely
speaker 2: okay we didn't we didn't have an agreement when I asked you to do the taxes you said you needed access to your stuff I moved out and I told you to stay at our house until taxes were finished and if it had been weeks or months I would have stayed out of our house until taxes were
speaker 1: finished I didn't hear the beginning of what you said and that's not how I agree call our conversation I think we I think I did a night in the in the they also asked you to leave wage so that I can work I can just said I can
speaker 2: just remote in for most of it okay yeah but you understand that that is you setting up a complex system that I am enslaved to follow there wasn't another option wage I was the option if I gave
speaker 1: you the option really
speaker 2: still taxes were finished and you chose to leave and everytime electricity came turned off you chose to have to come and fix it cuz nobody else is hard
speaker 1: enough I gave you instructions for how to fix it and you asked me to come when I
speaker 2: can doing it on a service number okay but it's not a full-service I want dusted I don't want that equipment all set up here that's you you want to do whatever I say and I'm saying that's what I want I don't want equipment setup that requires you to be the one to take care of it
speaker 1: I told you that you can have whatever you want after that agreement fell apart
speaker 2: but okay but we had a literally a standing Family Law Court order in place that requires us not to sell or dispose of any belongings
speaker 1: great I
speaker 2: haven't but you your brain was thinking that that was something that I was going to
speaker 1: do and I'm told me that you did sell some stuff and I kept pictures of proof or something
speaker 2: known by her garage provided it's in her garage because I was turning it in with my necks what do you call it not the not the same channel mandatory disclosures but your request for additional documentation but Jesse sent me I already had them all compiled okay photographs of anything that you're storing off-site and the name of the person who's doing it for you and that dishwasher something that told me that might have a problem with it off kitchen and Mom said she tried to it's not but I don't need to be living in a way that and there's no reason for me to have a dishwasher my kitchen that's not installed there's no reason for it so I'm not doing something dirty or bad by keeping my children safe from equipment in my kitchen I know that you're used to us living in a way where you bring stuff saying that it would be good for us but then don't actually install it for months or
speaker 1: years you ask normal to get dishwasher off yet I know but I don't want to argue with you not have to really ridiculous
speaker 2: I know there's no reason for you to be acting like I should not wrong or just talk Dirty by putting in my parents garage taking a photograph of it and placing it in my files to turn into Jesse okay keeping my children safe I'm taking good care of your property I'm documenting it all and going through the right system underneath the Florida family law standing court order which is completely predictable and in line with everything that you know about my character there is not a more honorable way to handle
speaker 1: anything about
speaker 2: there's nothing that we need to argue about. I was just trying to understand your birth date because I don't get how you get there with the cameras I feel like there is a really really strong disconnect from reality and it's hard for me to gauge from day-to-day life how bad it is with you so you feel it's not good for you to be around your mom
speaker 1: I don't know you
speaker 2: feel it's good for you to be around your mom I don't know okay you feel it's good for our children to be around your
speaker 1: mom I don't know any I don't know how you going to behave that made me remember that I've literally not responded to my sister asking us about the children being in our wedding as a repair and whatever else it is flower
speaker 2: girl okay I
speaker 1: must have missed this part in the message but my mom saying that it's in
speaker 2: Mexico you told me that you
speaker 1: needed okay and that you're invited
speaker 2: what
speaker 1: do you want me to tell her I presume when is it next
speaker 2: January it it doesn't say that your mom will pay for it you're just assuming that
speaker 1: right she told me she'll cover the cost to me and the kids and that you're welcome to go and I would presume that still pay for you to go however that could change if you divorce me and take
speaker 2: everything exactly I'm just saying like all this good stuff with your mom's money is really dangerous
speaker 1: well if you divorced me and take everything and you want to go to supervise the children that would not be an unreasonable expense for you to elect to have em oh I know I just need to tell Madison something
speaker 2: it's not secretly me to just ignore her right the moment you got it you should have said when do you need to know by and obviously that sounds amazing it's going to be beautiful I don't
speaker 1: know really found that amazing to me but oh and I don't know if you know but she's pregnant again yeah I know second so she's obviously going to have a baby doesn't sound amazing to me it sounds like an application but regardless
speaker 2: okay so you want to not do it
speaker 1: no I do want to do it she's still my
speaker 2: sister I know but you understand that you're sacrificing your own children on that altar of entanglement with your family obligations and you have to add whether that's in your children's absolute best interest or if you're just using your children as currency to fulfill your obligations
speaker 1: well I don't know how to help with that like I said we're going to do whatever you want so I just need to know what the color
speaker 2: you understand that that scapegoating right there right
speaker 1: no I don't but I know that you think
speaker 2: so. Yeah you're putting me as a buffer in between you and your family and you're hiding behind Aaron chose whatever it
speaker 1: is I won't represent it that way to them
speaker 2: you're feeling like you actually can't make this decision I
speaker 1: legitimately can I'm telling you that you get to pick what happens with the custody of your children and then telling you that whatever you choose is what we're going to do
speaker 2: all right so you're going to buy Star you're going to the McDonald's you're going to schedule your what counselor yep you feel like that's a good plan that they have for you for canceling I mean all it is to place an idea if it's any good or not maybe if she get your report from dr. before you schedule your counselor I can
speaker 1: try and have to come and do all that okay I mean I've called them several
speaker 2: times I was thinking in terms of I guess I guess I'm wrong I guess really you should go ahead and get started with your new counselor cuz they've lined up for you and then if there's something in your report that makes you think you should switch you won't have wasted but one session right
speaker 1: yep
speaker 2: that's probably I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that so go to VyStar go to McDonald's schedule your counselor and that's it for today oh no you got to figure out you need me to figure out what to do with your mom this weekend right yes and then I need
speaker 1: to know what to tell
speaker 2: Madison I think Madison is just like congratulations happy for you when do you need to know by about the kids cuz she's you understand she's planning way out in advance right
speaker 1: yeah
speaker 2: if she just if she if she asked you about the kids in for the first time in October like there would still be plenty of time on both ends to plan for life and so she's you're asking you in February she might say I just need to know by June you know so the the only problem on your end right now is the fact that you have a sled congratulation thank you for thinking of them so exciting so it makes sense
speaker 1: I mean in my opinion I don't think it's going to make sense to her that we need
speaker 2: to plan ahead for something like that
speaker 1: no that we can say one way or another
speaker 2: well I mean that's okay all that all that really matters here is that she knows that you care that she's getting married and you care that she's having a baby and you think it's great that she wants to include your children in her wedding like those are all really really huge really important things
speaker 1: okay
speaker 2: whether we respond in February or respond in March to something that's happening next January is not really that important compared to the important stuff you need to communicate to her and then maybe you want to read some John Piper yep all right bye-bye