speaker 1: 
speaker 2: hello okay how you doing
speaker 1: hanging in there how are you
speaker 2: good how's your
speaker 1: counseling it was good he told me that you guys talked I didn't realize that good have you talked to the doctor no that's
speaker 2: disappointing gem did you follow up
speaker 1: at all when you can call on them to find out when I would get a report and they always tell me they don't know and they'll call me back and they never do okay can't be can't be in the works if you haven't even talked to you okay I ridiculous this point really honestly yeah had tried to find apartments around my workplace and said that he couldn't find any that's weird I'm going to need to make a plan to get out of here sometime in the future so if you're really serious about this directing everything thing I think I need you to figure out what you want me to
speaker 2: do okay how do you feel about that though
speaker 1: I don't know
speaker 2: I mean do you feel like you're being like held over a barrel and manipulated and controlled or do you feel like you have an opportunity to show love and
speaker 1: deference I mean I guess
speaker 2: those I mean the opposite so what does just couldn't seem like very opposite scenarios
speaker 1: to me I'm showing that friend
speaker 2: and yeah but like for me the opportunity to show deference is like joyful like I feel like I'm really excited and good about that long whereas somebody having you over the barrel and controlling you it's not a good feeling
speaker 1: Caroline said that your
speaker 2: I did I did I did and you said I
speaker 1: didn't well
speaker 2: you said both
speaker 1: and then I said that I'm being deferential in that you are controlling it and that is the mode by which I'm being
speaker 2: deferential it's probably a really bad way to look at it because all of your problems are most of your problems come from a skewed perception of what control is in other words when somebody's being deferential by definition they're not being controlled because it's voluntary
speaker 1: all right honey well I am voluntarily being deferential to you and choosing that okay yeah I'm going to live when I get out of here because I can't stay here for you
speaker 2: okay okay yeah yeah I think I mean if if you're being serious if you're not just manipulating me to whatever put a roof over your head and then next week it's just kidding cuz I can't take much more of that business I am not getting yeah oh what did that say about that though
speaker 1: seriously considering committing me
speaker 2: do you need a light of you saying that you would submit to your wife he thought that that was sign of
speaker 1: instability no because I said that okay give you whatever you
speaker 2: want yeah I'm saying is I was asking what it said think about me telling you what to do and I thought you were saying that in light of that he went
speaker 1: committed know okay them into our phone calls but we did not have
speaker 2: time you wanted him to listen to our phone call so he could understand the Dynamics of me trying to control you know that you could
speaker 1: I hear from me and understand what's actually going
speaker 2: on so he could what
speaker 1: MD hear
speaker 2: you you okay but I'm saying in light of what you said to him about your plan for voluntarily submitting to my decision he was what
speaker 1: we talked about it in the context of me stipulating that you could design our divorce you're not listen to our phone call and I did not have a chance to play it because he asked me to go figure out what was happening with that assessment and yeah
speaker 2: but did you feel like he was supportive of what you the way you were thinking and that or do you feel like he was trying to discourage you from thinking that way
speaker 1: giving you everything in our divorce yeah cuz
speaker 2: I'm saying there's two very different ways that could be taken he thinks I'm not he thinks you're nuts for saying that you're going to give me everything yep yep anything that's like part of why is thinking that you're unstable at this point cuz you need able to like take care of yourself
speaker 1: basically he didn't commit me so obviously he thinks I'm okay everybody stand there going what is he talking
speaker 2: about they say you can only have your phone in your room
speaker 1: sitting on my porch
speaker 2: okay I
speaker 1: got people waiting on me to go to dinner money but I can call you later okay that's okay yeah yeah yeah I love you
speaker 2: all right let me see you bye-bye