speaker 1: 
speaker 2: hello hi sorry about that one died what the phone died oh okay all right I didn't hear what you said about what I didn't hear you what I don't know I didn't hear you I said okay anyways I think that do you feel
speaker 1: like your mom is being honest with you about
speaker 2: like
speaker 1: how her paying the rent on one of our rentals for you know like puts her in a position to be able to
speaker 2: manipulate our settlement and manipulate me
speaker 1: and make sure that we get divorced so that she's absolve divorce or improprieties and not equal footing with the like she being honest with you about that or do you think she's just trying to not say all of that and make you think that she's just helping you cuz she does suck you
speaker 2: homeless it represents to me that she wants us to be together and terrified of me being
speaker 1: homeless she is terrified of you being
speaker 2: homeless yeah huh yeah okay so I mean if that's the case then it would be really easy to get her to pay for an apartment for you want to be close to my children and close to use that yeah but you understand right now but you understand that right now when you're close to me when you're close to the children you're doing really destructive things
speaker 1: like you knew that before I visited you at Honey
speaker 2: Lake we even went home you know make it clear that they're necessary boundaries when you and I are in front of the children so that you don't give the children the false impression that you're perfect you know just tearing our family apart because I'm a terrible
speaker 1: mother off like part of that
speaker 2: was not you know I don't need anything
speaker 1: or I love you or trying to do
speaker 2: hugs and it was extraordinarily for
speaker 1: you to wait until visitation of your life visitation day was already over and it couldn't influence whether I decided to visit you in the future to take that opportunity to make a really puppy dog face in front of the kids and look really hurt that you weren't getting a hug like that was
speaker 2: really apologize
speaker 1: emotionally and psychologically harmful to them and it is extraordinarily telling that you did
speaker 2: not choose to do that on our for previous month I only do it wasn't like that you know because because what if I could what hello are you there I'm here
speaker 1: because of what
speaker 2: tried to can you hear me I can hear you because of what I only tried to hug you because of what because of what I only tried to pick up the phone if I was on the phone I asked you don't need the beginning part of the Senate you keep saying the same thing but you'll pass out when you get to the one thing I need to hear so you don't need to say I only tried to hug you because I already heard that and you don't need to say this week on the phone you told me cuz I already heard that the part after that would always cut out can you please tell me what it is I don't know what you're missing the part that comes after I only tried to hug you because this week on the phone you said I said would you be willing to hug me yes do you have a recording of that probably I don't know if I can find it would you be willing to help me yeah I have to wonder what the context was because we haven't really specific conversations where we set that as boundary I'm sorry it's okay I'm just saying like if you're actually in recognition that you're actually doing really psychologically and emotionally harmful things to me and the children during our separation wage then you're not going to cling so tightly to this idea that you need to have this physical proximity to be able to continue to perpetrate those things that you do without even getting green Cabot what I'm saying but you living a block away from us actually actually makes it more likely that you're not going to be able to stop being destructive or to remarry I'm saying like a certain you're right to continue to cross boundaries that's part of the problem no really want to live with me do you really want to live with me question it's a trick question right I'm worried that that's a trick question you're going to say that if I want to live with you that's for don't want a little bit because a lot of divorce know but I'm just saying like there's a different way to go about
speaker 1: want to live with
speaker 2: me you would be you know my life but are you talking it's perfectly easy Duster I'm just asking you to submit Godly Authority graciously put in your life like we are so so so so so so blessed often most couples don't have this most people don't have what we have we have some really really emotionally mature people to walk through this with us malls you unconditionally love you and will sacrifice for you in every way you're not talking about on ethical man you're not talking about dysfunctional men you're not talking about unreasonable then you're not talking about men who would ever take advantage of you said we're talking about people who really love you
speaker 1: and if Jackie Hays told you that you know maybe you should make sure that you have plenty of hesitation in the
speaker 2: settlement I
speaker 1: probably would have told you the same thing on that same
speaker 2: day like that's not out of mine was not wrong but sounds reasonable perspective that I'm in agreement with and the Monday until she has a kid fifty percent of the time. He told me that he didn't tell you that money well he did he told me that he didn't tell you that well he did everything's right or Elders I don't play life I'm not well I'm trying to write our elders out of my life I'm not be reached out what you are trying to do is discredit them and what you are trying to do is make them look like they're not functioning and that they have known not giving anybody advice about anything like you are what do what's called evaluate you're trying to devalue them to the point that you don't have to follow their opinion even when their opinion is that you're abusing your life in a recognizable because you've got to me you gave it to me before we got married you guys me to make yourself look like the lines one and me look like the foolish one to the point that you're the only one who's allowed to be the sole judge of whether you're abusing your wife your wife and sees it with her own eyes and has Services doesn't get to weigh in on whether she's being abused the order is to see it with their owner if I don't get to have an opinion about your weather your wife is being abused you really want to be the only person in the entire world who gets to be the judge of whether your wife's being a choice that's a little bit unfair coming from the predator who else Dustin I mean it's the way it or whether you're a loser who owns Gibson who will you trust to actually have an opinion
speaker 1: on when you're being abusive it's got to be somebody besides the perpetrator that's obvious
speaker 2: a lot of time but those Elders following advice from them the only time that I didn't follow their advice was when they gave me different advice that's not true you went off it's Neil because I was a what year days to do was not to talk to other people about it and this is why if you had followed their time for everything would be okay right now but you walked outside of God's will he walked outside of the wisdom of man who understood that we were deep enough into a
speaker 1: really deep sticky
speaker 2: thing that it would not be smart for you to be talking to people who don't have to. you stuck outside of God's well when you went to kneel without anybody else with you this is the result so they killed myself I don't know something like go back to that day you decided to disobey the others and go to Neil go back to that day and imagine but you haven't gotten the meal if you haven't rented meal you would have not gotten referred to go talk to Jackies if you haven't gone to Jackie then you wouldn't be convinced that Jackie thinks you suck at all the others to be trusted to tell you that you're using your wife and you wouldn't be suicidal like cuz I was suicidal in with it because I was the final it's a deal because they went to our church there was nobody knew that I could talk to did you tell me about can you at the service on the doors were locked or they wouldn't talk to you like literally it shirts like like scoffing at me his wife was taking my kids away without even letting me hug goodbye and everybody else just walked away when talk to me I'm always too now I think all flow you're saying hours and take your kids away without letting you say goodbye okay well you know that that goodbye ritual that you're doing is a little bit the power grab I can't you recognize that you always know when your visit with your kids or something can you waive late has them and kiss them goodbye and I'm just saying like you could play in if you're going to be somewhere at 3:00 you could plan to be there at 2:15 a.m. so that you could have Thirty Seconds to say goodbye to your kids or you can plan there to be at $255 if you want five minutes to say goodbye to your kids but people are consistently like telling you that you're you to get signed in front of your wife that is not healthy for the children to be seeing that your wife is not there and I was not giving them a five-minute goodbye I was hugging them and kiss them goodbye which I was not able to do because they were like well are you dropping the kids off the Allison cuz we're in there for whatever reason I don't know on the weekend weekend second it's going to get help there I literally couldn't get help there literally showed up my childhood pass through or if that's who I haven't seen in add Emergen-C to get help and you what but he believed that you were suicidal because someone was taking your children away from you so
speaker 1: will you understand that in a situation where you have for elders who wisely are telling you what you actually need to do to be able to live with your children one hundred percent of the time cuz they actually know what's going on and what's going to lead to that positive outcome for somebody else to think that you're suicidal because people are trying to take your children away from you it's probably not a good person to be getting advice from somebody deliver okay so it just doesn't make sense to me why you think that somehow something that Neal and Jacquees say somehow negates like the really good advice that you got from them as a
speaker 2: team as follows the letter that they gave me more than follow it I don't know how to get anything else here and I
speaker 1: I think that that week was pretty rough because you were doing a lot of blame-shifting In Our Family Wizard I think that you were not being honest when you were giving me messages saying that you would take one hundred percent of the visitation time that you were offered I think that everybody has rightly nervous that you were going to paint me as somebody when we were trying when the fact was that Christmas week you didn't have enough time off of work to have them one hundred percent of the time and the fact was that you knew that would be in the children's best interests would be to have some normalcy and to get to do their normal Christmas stuff with me like you knew what was the children's best interests but you were that week you were doing these harrassing blame-shifting messages when I asked you you know when you wanted them and I was offering them to you and you were telling me that I had the schedule we we did it was it was so ridiculous how many back and forth so we did because everybody was like wow it's really obvious he's trying to make are and have to pick the schedule that's in the kids that's just so that he can clean a finger at her and say that she's not giving him enough time with the kids that is a really sick way to use the elders advice of saying that he should let you pick the time cheering she's literally offering him whatever he was and there's a good chance that he's going to flip this whole thing off next month and say that he's pursuing fifty-fifty and
speaker 2: there's a really good chance that he's going to use whatever air
speaker 1: intakes for Christmas to say that she can't be trusted to foster a relationship with your
speaker 2: father we did not see this coming at Dustin would use the
speaker 1: elders advice and such a manipulative way but wow look here he's doing it
speaker 2: and
speaker 1: I would put it back on you and our family wizard message and
speaker 2: you come back in a real judgmental way
speaker 1: I told you that I would take all of the time allotted to me that's come to
speaker 2: love the children and they love me ask for more time with I mean all this grandiose
speaker 1: verbiage to paint yourself is this amazing father who's entitled to so much with this withholding wife and I literally dead we'll let you have them 24/7 everyday but you're not willing to admit that your work schedule is always going to come first and your work your work schedule is always important to you and your work schedule doesn't really allow you to be with your kids one hundred percent of
speaker 2: the time and it turns out low and
speaker 1: behold what was the whole weeks later all of a sudden you flipped and you and you were telling lots of people that your wife was withholding it was it was amazing but you did it sure did it
speaker 2: so if you know if you want to go around and say I'm doing everything they told me about the saying
speaker 1: I'm not being genuine enough
speaker 2: like that's why I Dustin that's not the way in which somebody who's submitting to that kind of
speaker 1: council speaks to his wife messages his wife flipped his tactics on his wife paints his wife is the billing plays the victim when he's done the perpetrator life none of that
speaker 2: like notified
speaker 1: if you weren't behaving if those strings tactical ways out of this would even be happening like if they would have sat down with them and they would have said you cheated on your wife while she was in Cape
speaker 2: Cod and you would have said yeah I did really really did and it wasn't even truly song I was the one who was pursuing it and they would have said
speaker 1: there's forgiveness in the cost the good news is that you don't have to lay the guilt or shame because Christ made it for you and the good news is that you have all family here that loves
speaker 2: you it was going to help you prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future because it's really
speaker 1: destructive but you're going to need to quit that job and you don't need to worry about the money we'll support you
speaker 2: financially will house
speaker 1: your children will feed your
speaker 2: children we got you. Got you God
speaker 1: never going to leave your
speaker 2: opinion yet and you can rest in that and we would have gone home that night and we would have had sex and once like together in the same bed every night
speaker 1: hot meal ready for you on the table whenever you get home
speaker 2: from
speaker 1: your new job at low I mean it's
speaker 2: just all of this there's no reason for any of this none you're not you're
speaker 1: not a victim of anything you know and I'm not saying you have to work at Lowe's I'm just saying that like
speaker 2: B
speaker 1: the extremity of the emotional psychological and social abuse that you said carrying out for the last six seven months is not something that you can possibly Express to Neil Hellman unless you spent seven months
speaker 2: talking to him for three hours a
speaker 1: day and it's not something you could express to tell unless you spent seven months talking to him like three hours a day
speaker 2: like a normal
speaker 1: T of the manipulative actions that you have carried out or not
speaker 2: expressible in just
speaker 1: 20 hours of
speaker 2: talking you don't think anybody can help you what what I'll be basically
speaker 1: you don't think anyone can help you what what
speaker 2: you don't think that anybody can help me what you don't think that anybody can help me oh
speaker 1: do I think anybody can help you with I do I probably at this
speaker 2: point nothing is more important to
speaker 1: me probably at this point the easiest would be for you to just stop arguing and never have an opinion about anything again and just choose that being my husband is more important and there might be another way there might be a way where we ship you off to Germany for six years to meet the world's foremost expert in cutting-edge psychoanalysis and therapeutic and then you I you know somehow rap I don't know
speaker 2: it's not being a husband here and he's
speaker 1: with the easy way easy way is to just to just stop fighting in just be willing to listen to other wise people around you cuz you're saying that you were deluding yourself into thinking that you were falling all over the following their counsel
speaker 2: no matter
speaker 1: while I know but I'm just saying like to be creative enough to tell me that they directed you to choose the time and schedule and then Loop me into that whole thing with Christmas instead of just ranting up and saying I can't get off work and then blame-shifting and trying to make me look bad for asking you when you could have the kids for Christmas like that was all going on
speaker 2: but
speaker 1: I mean well aren't you the day that you're talking about wasn't that the day that you somehow drove by my house when you're supposed to be with the kids in Jacksonville like aren't you talking about the day that you drove past the house and then you took me in the hallway at church and said I was with a
speaker 2: man and
speaker 1: the kids said that they like spent the whole day going with you to take pictures of your your work sites I mean isn't that what you're talking about God I know but you have to play hard work day that was well yeah I'm just I'm just saying I'm just trying to put some contacts to your claim that you know your church had abandoned you when you were being so perfect like follow their counsel I think it's I think that we're talking about the week and that you somehow somehow we're driving around
speaker 2: perfect following their advice and I can't hear you I don't I'm not saying that I ever follow any advice perfectly I'm saying that I was not in a good place and I went to our church to get help and our senior pastor was dead and his wife with our children. I was trying to think I there was no urgency it so you know anything about them and it
speaker 1: was well I I think that the people do too I think it's a little bit unfair of you to remove it from the context of your behavior the exact same
speaker 2: morning what I don't know what you're talking about the kids had a great weekend together well
speaker 1: I know but you need to understand that Kate McDonald is a licensed clinical social worker and that she saw you stock me into the hallway the one time that you knew you could get me alone because I have put so many physical Protections in place for me I've had to be displaced from my own house so many times just to avoid being there with your abusive behavior and my mom has become really really really uncomfortable with you shifting your psychological abuse now that I'm not available as a Target like you're aware of all of that and you do end as a predator
speaker 2: would return I
speaker 1: know but but not in front of other people like you stalked me into a hallway when you were supposed to be listening to a
speaker 2: sermon and I heard what I'm waiting a public place and I'm just saying
speaker 1: president right when you should have been listening to a sermon you spoke to me in such a scary way that can take your hasn't heard that tone before and wouldn't have a reason to classify it in any particular way was fearful for my life and I was very strange cuz I wasn't trying to scare you at all
speaker 2: and I don't know about it
speaker 1: but you need to understand but that's a pathological way for a man to talk to a woman and it's a predatory way for me to talk to a woman and it's abusive way for a man to talk to a woman it's a scary way for a man or a
speaker 2: woman barrier I would like to not do that to you
speaker 1: because certain wage intention okay you should not Corner me in a hallway when you're supposed to be listening to a sermon cover you should not I didn't
speaker 2: have my
speaker 1: stuff like you know what you did not have you knew that you did not have my consent that you could have messaged me in our family was off the night before you know you could have messaged me that morning I know but you knew that there was a boundary that we not speak without other you knew that I had set a boundary back in September 3rd not speak without a third party you knew that boundary and you went out of your way to subvert it without my consent that is predatory
speaker 2: I'm
speaker 1: sorry I'm not being no no no no no no no this is not about me this
speaker 2: is not a what the this is what I'm on the female sensitivity this isn't you need to
speaker 1: understand how she perceived it and be sensitive to what it is
speaker 2: but she's feel like this is just about that the moon know what you did not always once your phone for my physical safety I know but Kate went home and told her dad okay she won't she doesn't have any reason to misrepresent your phone or your behavior or the fact that you weren't respecting my communication down trees I was not aware that that was a problem I'm sorry she looks at me and I didn't even know that we had a communication things right and she was able to tell just by the way that you know we had a communication boundary because we both stopped talking about it it would have been no reason to go and get me alone time that you indicated that you weren't okay talking about it when you walked off and I did not block that's not true I indicated in September that I wasn't comfortable talking to you at all without a third party present I just want to talk to me I didn't stop to talk to you about I went in the nursery to drop off some you stood at the doorway so that I was unable to physically exit the nursery without passing you I walked through that, that that's the way to get back to my seat bring it back to my seat to listen to the sermon okay like I said I apologize I need to make you scared it's not about how I felt nothing it's not at all about how I felt it's about the fact that you engage in predatory behavior I think you are emotionally abusive the fact that you do not respect the reasonable boundaries that other men respect and that is the context of the behavior that people were physically scared of you because you were displaying really unstable physically off. Behaviors I mean if that's her face was scared of me that's news to me I held her children and never had any interaction I didn't I haven't been that sick anymore but yes I think the wait for us to have a relationship is for me to not have any opinions I mean that's the shortcut way yeah absolutely the thing about having it and not a person that doesn't have opinions effectively I didn't doesn't I submitted to you in every way my husband is life basically yeah that would in this case that would be appropriate for probably a five-year probationary. Yeah yeah so there was probation period of time where you admit that you've been really abusive to me and because of your abuse it makes sense that you no longer have the power and control that you have on my father work how am I supposed to do anything
speaker 1: basically however I tell you
speaker 2: that's and that's not the same committed to our I know they're family but what I know is that you're going to take them out reasonable things and let it be over five years for me to try to convince me that you were so perfect and I was the one who was dead totally know alot like we know you got you got the end of our probationary period oh you're doing it right now like
speaker 1: you tell me the date for that creepy thing
speaker 2: right you're sorry for hi I'm serious about trying to make this work not have opinions yeah I bet you also don't get all the decisions like you also don't know that was you don't get we don't get to sit in the McDonald's living room people are telling you you need to put that job and you say I'm not doing that we don't get to say you need to leave work at 4:30 and I'm not doing that we don't get to save some time thinking of ways but selfishness affected your life and you say selfish we don't just saying don't have opinions were saying actually submit your actions Q other judgment because your judgment is has been done and destructive all right I'm here take my phone away what and then thank you I'm here honey Lake therapy Phantom I've missed a class they may take away my phone what it's only the last one I didn't hear the last part because your voice Trails off so let's start with the last part I mean did you say that again what do I want you to do give me what I want to do my situation what you want me to do what do you mean give you a message saying that I had a snow opinions and you're going to decide things and asking for what you want me to do today oh you're saying you want that to be the plan for like everything works I'm saying like like how much money you're allowed to spend I don't know I don't have an opinion on something that you're submitting to me or more and you want to buy my life then you I have an opinion about it you're just going to spend the money cuz you don't have it in your allowance right what going to talk it over with my therapist okay I don't I don't think we have a choice whatever it takes to save our family too but I am addicted to what hello I don't have actually ever volume can't hear you I don't think we have a choice with a
speaker 1: great experience okay all right well I mean you can like you can tell you that this is he already know about like that day that you went to because it wasn't fair for you while you were suicidal
speaker 2: so he doesn't know about
speaker 1: that I think so not remember oh you think he does now
speaker 2: so
speaker 1: okay we'll just tell him that that the contacts was that you had essentially corner of your wife in the hallway when the sun was starting and you knew that she was going to drop your kid off in the nursery and couldn't get back to her seat without flashing that hallway and that you confronted her about having a man in her kitchen at a time when it really makes sense that for you to be driving by her house because you were supposed to be with kids in Jacksonville
speaker 2: a good
speaker 1: and that
speaker 2: what all right I mean
speaker 1: I know there's a creepiness level of driving past somebody passes spying on that when you've already been I knew but but we have enough like case history to prove that we had a plan in place for you to be able to come get tools when you need it at like there'd been repetition of you sending me a message that there were repetitions from you sending me a message saying that I need to get something and me messaging you back absolutely anytime unrestricted access please just let me know when you've left so I know it's safe to come back we have enough case history of you following that procedure to say that you absolutely do about that procedure and if you drove by a needed a tool and you felt like you shouldn't get it because I was there you could have pulled over and you could have sent me a message that you wanted to get a tool and I could have made a decision about whether I wanted you to just get it while I was there or whether I wanted to leave and have you message me when you left like you knew that but for me to get caught in a hallway the next day and get confronted exactly Corners in the hallway the next day and they get confronted about having a man in my house in a way that took some tactical Maneuvers for you to get me alone when you do that we weren't supposed to be talking without a third party present and I used to Tori and shaming manner to the point where a third party who overheard it from down the hallway was fearful for my physical safety and then doing and saying
speaker 2: a little bit bizarre all I did was ask you
speaker 1: know that was not bizarre it's it is designed for you to be driving by and not telling me that your dragon that was I have $200 to tell you from Jacksonville that you had plenty of opportunity to tell me Well ahead of time that you needed to combine Jacksonville we were in Fernandina okay will you have plenty of time you could have messaged me that you need to come by you chose not deal and then after the five like after you drove by the house and go there's a man there we can't stop your mom has a man in the kitchen, this is your house I know that you lived there but we can't stop we're just trying to like to put them through that and then still not message me hey I drove by the house and try to get my tools because it looks like there was a man in my kitchen and then to get up the next morning when something in your mind I need to find out who that man was and not like a message your wife hey who was that marrying our kitchen when I drove by to get it to her yesterday and then when I don't answer you directly because I'm really uncomfortable talking to you alone and really uncomfortable about the fact that I don't even know what you're talking about or why you're talking to me as though I've done. Shame full and you're response to be I'm willing to spend money to find out like that was your response you don't have to tell me I'm willing to spend money to find out like you were behaving really pathetically and you don't find this surprising you know what headspace you in
speaker 2: you
speaker 1: know like see a nose cuz you called him like you were losing it buddy you were losing it big time any anybody can say you would definitely losing touch with reality anybody could say God that's reality yeah
speaker 2: I don't touch with reality there really was a man in our kitchen and I really don't know who it
speaker 1: was I know but to think that you should not message me about it to think that I needed not confronted about it to think that I should be ashamed of it and ask you who it was
speaker 2: a question to know if my wife
speaker 1: took a first of all no it's not if that's creepy to think that you have a right to know everything your wife does that is creepy right there
speaker 2: that I have a right to know everything you do but
speaker 1: I know but the fact that you wanted to cost
speaker 2: anything to tell me who has been there what you
speaker 1: hear yourself right now like you definitely losing touch with reality I'm just saying like this this is weird Everybody who knows me this is weird it doesn't make sense for you to act this way
speaker 2: towards me about this up there and I
speaker 1: don't no I'm saying I need to understand what people were physically scared of you
speaker 2: you
speaker 1: need to understand that your behavior was predatory you need to understand that your behavior was pathological you need to understand that your behavior was abusive you need to understand that I could use those kinds of behaviors with me ever since we were dating for only six months and up until now you've been able to do that all behind closed doors to keep me ashamed to keep me owning everything to keep me accountable to you to keep you under your control to keep me scared of you tell me walking on eggshells and as long as behind closed doors and nobody else knew about it they will really effective tactics but when somebody sees that demeanor for the very first time and right after that the very first time they see it as a third-party they can go wow he's scary he might hurt her validates for me that what I've been experiencing what else is there anybody called is not normal treat somebody the way you treated me in that hallway is predatory pathological abusive and threatening
speaker 2: he
speaker 1: feels that way because you've done it since time
speaker 2: immemorial in our house I didn't threaten you or
speaker 1: yes so you to follow me down the order of birth to
speaker 2: public hallway and listened to a service public holiday at our church yeah right did
speaker 1: anybody else I won't probably down
speaker 2: that way but normalize it right now that's not available or not
speaker 1: the context you is that you were behaving as a predator and the context is that a lot of people thought that you might be ready to shoot somebody in her somebody and that wasn't a reasonable wage anybody gets
speaker 2: an unreasonable statement for somebody that's never physically like any threats against anybody for anybody in that church that knows me say oh well he could physically hurt somebody or shoot somebody it's like a little bit extremely insane quite honestly it's completely
speaker 1: reasonable based on your behavior really dead
speaker 2: not really irresponsible rhetoric does say to my wife or to anybody else and that is why not safe for me to be their life and
speaker 1: Powerful about you but that way that morning and that is because it is threatening and yeah you aren't careful enough not to be but the police could put a restraining order on you for using the what I'm sorry somebody know what you can get away with saying it's still threatened me you know how you can shame me you know how you can try to embarrass me you know how you can make me uncomfortable you know how you can cross boundaries
speaker 2: you know what you can get away with doing that's going to
speaker 1: influence my behavior and make me feel bad and make me feel uncomfortable without getting you arrested you
speaker 2: know and you know I don't know I know that my view on that has gotten me arrested because I've never owned a printing you were anybody else
speaker 1: that's not true that's not true that's not true you've not gotten arrested
speaker 2: I'll tell you why if he's not interested in things in the work
speaker 1: you've not that interested because you kept in a situation of being scaled to call the police because I know how you verbally signed it all around on me it's it's like it's to
speaker 2: flip it around on me it's just
speaker 1: like when DJs like strangled his girlfriend and she called the police and she got arrested like you're that good you're that good and I know it and I
speaker 2: knew it I'm trying to figure out a way for the store and I can't have an opinion but I'm trying to not have an opinion that
speaker 1: well the opinion has to include them in a predatory manner the opinion has to include
speaker 2: it wasn't reasonable of me to drive past
speaker 1: that house without letting my wife know what I was saying the opinion has to include it wasn't reasonable as me to call Creator title on her for having a man in our kitchen when I know her character and I know that she's married and I know that she's not seeing another man because that's obvious like
speaker 2: you're if you're going to have an opinion it has to
speaker 1: include that you were out of touch with
speaker 2: you and there's a man and making sure it's not super obvious it is because you know that just like everybody else goes me it's super obvious might not be super obviously pet because he doesn't know my character so you can paint it and tell your
speaker 1: wife is reading you and seeing another
speaker 2: man but you know me and anybody who knows me knows that is really really irrational thinking
speaker 1: to be able to get to that place in your mind anybody who knows me knows that you've gone off the deep end when you start thinking about it or do you fall in that way
speaker 2: all right and so I confronted you in the hallway sorry I
speaker 1: know it's kind of like that it's not that that actually is a problem because it scared me it's that you are at your core a predator and it is bad when Aaron and Alison are behaving in a certain way about same day but you behaved as a predator within the four walls of their
speaker 2: Church awesome doesn't even thing yeah I went to her sanctuary same
speaker 1: also super sad
speaker 2: that. So sad went about that night
speaker 1: it was almost asleep and he said he was almost asleep about that night usagi turned aside just enough to look at me right beside and you said why why did you say that you would cover right back and tell you something in the nursery you didn't come back it's carrying it took away and security it broke his heart
speaker 2: it's not right it's not like so long to
speaker 1: say I'll be right back buddy and then not come
speaker 2: back that's not okay but
speaker 1: ordinarily damaging to his sense of attachment and Security in this world I did go to Allison for Sanctuary because I was
speaker 2: fearful of you I'm sorry
speaker 1: and so you have to give it the full weight of the contacts that you were being a
speaker 2: predator I'm about to miss my okay
speaker 1: well I'm just I'm not trying to accuse you of all of that just for the sake of that I want you to understand the context of Aaron analysis behavior and that it was completely reasonable and there would be the excellent discernment and it doesn't change the exact
speaker 2: have to do with me saying good-bye to my children when I only get to see them every other weekend update not
speaker 1: because you could have said goodbye to them and with that they have the smirk at
speaker 2: me he could say something personable or like just
speaker 1: send me one that you're taking people's reactions to you behaving in a scary threatening predatory manner
speaker 2: know I don't I'm trying to
speaker 1: divert attention from your extremely disturbing anti-social behaviors it does not make sense you took diverts blame for a facial expression on to another person
speaker 2: no it's not just a regular expression I mean we're talking about a whole pack Behavior here
speaker 1: I know but you want to talk about the smirk on his
speaker 2: face is just the last time I allowed
speaker 1: myself to be subjected to it but can we talk about all the facial expressions that you said you used from July through December like they're the actual address or that's what I'm saying you want to somehow take the fact that people respond to your abuse of some kind of justification for your abuse like if you weren't doing the abuse those things wouldn't be happening it wouldn't be having a facial expression in response abusing your wife in the church home way if you didn't use your wife in the church highway so the solution is really simple don't do that in the church hallway not divert attention to the fact that he had a facial expression it's the same as we divorcing you you don't need to go around diverting attention to my unbiblical no grounds for divorce when you could just say oh let me notice that there were never biblical grounds for my abuse in the first place like none of these things are these people's faults you can take ownership of your actual
speaker 2: creepiness all right sounds good bye